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  • Red and Processed Meat Intake in Relation to Cancer Risk

    Thoughts on this? A doctor who is very anti-paleo sent me this today.

    A Prospective Study of Red and Processed Meat Intake in Relation to Cancer Risk

  • #2
    It's no different from if I conducted an experiment of health outcomes feeding people a diet of cheese and broken glass. "Cheese causes intestinal bleeding and death!"

    If you count all the fast food in existence as red meat, then yeah, red meat is unhealthy.

    If you cut it back to stuff like steak, the cancer risks mysteriously disappear.
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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    • #3
      Educate the doc by sending her the studies referred to in

      http://authoritynutrition.com/7-evid...s-to-eat-meat/

      http://authoritynutrition.com/random...-in-nutrition/

      And especially:

      http://authoritynutrition.com/is-red...r-you-or-good/

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      • #4
        Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
        It's no different from if I conducted an experiment of health outcomes feeding people a diet of cheese and broken glass. "Cheese causes intestinal bleeding and death!"

        If you count all the fast food in existence as red meat, then yeah, red meat is unhealthy.

        If you cut it back to stuff like steak, the cancer risks mysteriously disappear.
        It is an nih study and they weren't that stupid. They found that both red and processed meats each were associated with higher cancer risks. The problem is that it is only an observational study. And yes, they included as red meat e.g., hamburgers from fast food restaurants which are not ideal sources of red meat and perhaps more importantly are normally eaten with fries and cokes.
        Last edited by zmisst; 12-29-2013, 02:09 AM.

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        • #5
          I doubt it was a happy cow that grew up on green pasture though... :P

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          • #6
            Pretty much any kind of study that says "Eating red meat will make you die a painful a bloody death within minutes" is a study where they not only ask you to recall every food, and in exactly what amounts, you ate for the past 3 weeks or more. Not the most accurate way of doing a study.

            And they lump in pepperoni (eaten on a dough crust), hot dogs (eaten on a bun) and hamburgers (eaten on a bun, with crap fries and a soda) in as "red meat". They're a bit ridiculous.
            Durp.

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            • #7
              I used to roam about with a guy who kept pointing to the red meat / colon cancer thing. He'd had a chief in the USN who'd died of it when (the chief) was only about 30, so he'd gone vegetarian a while. He's unfortunately the type that doesn't really buy anything that says otherwise, and unfortunately he's very scatterbrained so I don't follow up much on it.

              M.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                Pretty much any kind of study that says "Eating red meat will make you die a painful a bloody death within minutes" is a study where they not only ask you to recall every food, and in exactly what amounts, you ate for the past 3 weeks or more. Not the most accurate way of doing a study.

                And they lump in pepperoni (eaten on a dough crust), hot dogs (eaten on a bun) and hamburgers (eaten on a bun, with crap fries and a soda) in as "red meat". They're a bit ridiculous.
                The way to make pepperoni into a balanced meal is to have a stick of it in one hand, and a hunk of provolone in the other. I actually really didn't get the dough crust at first. It's been since July 2012 since I've had a pizza.
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                • #9
                  I had some last week. Wasn't very flavorful.

                  Speaking of pepperoni, can't find any around here that don't have BHT and the like in it. Lame.

                  M.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                    The way to make pepperoni into a balanced meal is to have a stick of it in one hand, and a hunk of provolone in the other. I actually really didn't get the dough crust at first. It's been since July 2012 since I've had a pizza.
                    I can't eat it! Same reason why I can't eat bacon, which is another heartbreaker.

                    But I will gladly steal the provolone out of your hand while you're distracted and run like the wind!
                    Durp.

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                    • #11
                      I forget why you can't eat the bacon and similar foods. Remind me?

                      M.

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                      • #12
                        Ask your doctor how many nutrition courses he took in med school or for his continuing education.

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                        • #13
                          I had a microbiologist years ago tell me that the risk from red meat such as steak was actually a grass fed vs. grain fed issue. With processed food its the preservatives and other crap that's added.

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                          • #14
                            Correlation is not causation!
                            My opinions and some justification

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                            • #15
                              This study took health surveys collected in the mid-1990's and attempts to isolate red meat consumption and cancer. To begin with this is only a tenuous connection by virtue of how the data was collected. By the 1990's people had been told for at least twenty years that red meat is bad for you. People who wanted to live a healthy lifestyle (exercise, no smoking, no fast food, no sodas, etc) were probably not the ones throwing back the red meat. Add to this the fact that people are TERRIBLE at self-reporting their diet and lifestyle information.
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