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  • #16
    Mutants are taking over the planet! o.O

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    • #17
      The way I heard it in biology (5 years ago) was that the vast majority or random mutations were neutral, either by having an effect that was not selected for or against, thus contributing to genetic diversity, or by not having an effect at all. These small differences could influence the effect of later mutations, of course.

      The resultant diversity within the species increases the chance that some members will already have the adaptions necessary to survive in times of change, crisis, or general stress/pressure.

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      • #18
        Back to the request of the OP, I too would like to see a study comparing the presence or absence of whole grains in otherwise equally healthy diets. In other words, a comparison of paleo or primal against, for example, the Mediterranean diet.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bill C View Post
          Back to the request of the OP, I too would like to see a study comparing the presence or absence of whole grains in otherwise equally healthy diets. In other words, a comparison of paleo or primal against, for example, the Mediterranean diet.
          Hear, hear!
          We are like cattle, blocked in by industrial confines. Walking down aisle seven, I grab my wheat flakes like a foddered bovine. ~lucid space

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
            Oh, I'm sorry, I was under the impression that you posted it in order to start a discussion.
            LOL, you didn't get the memo. Intelligent discussion is not welcome on MDA forums.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Bill C View Post
              Back to the request of the OP, I too would like to see a study comparing the presence or absence of whole grains in otherwise equally healthy diets. In other words, a comparison of paleo or primal against, for example, the Mediterranean diet.
              Those studies already exist though right?

              In Price's book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" he studies tribes side by side, of the same ancestry, one group like the Swiss villagers eat rye bread and cheese, and other group eats white flour and sugar. The rye bread group is in great health (although perhaps they would be in even better health if they didn't eat the bread, we can't say), while the white flour group is not as hardy and falls sick easily.

              However you are studying a control group here -- a population selected for study because they aren't sick yet, and yes they are doing fine eating rye bread. That's not to say that a population that is already sick, can do fine eating rye bread. For example if a tribe screwed themselves up eating sugar for 100 years, then perhaps that tribe can no longer process the carbohydrates correctly.

              So yes, there were populations who ate "healthy grains" in an otherwise healthy diet, and were healthy. But that doesn't necessarily means the average Amercian can do so and be okay.

              Or so it would seem, since they aren't do so well on their 55% carbs.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JohnOrVladimir View Post
                Im sorry but the studies author is a paleoanthropologist, what are your qualifications to dispute the findings of his study?
                The idea that natura selction stopped when humans developed larger socities is a misunderstanding. Our environment changed drastically, and as a result, natural selection began selecting for a whole new suite of features. Or evolution really has sped up, and continues to speed up. The issue today is no longer how to fight off lions, but that doesnt mean we dont face selective pressures.
                Yeah bc she isnt a paleoanthropologist she is too dumb to interpret data and find holes in it...lol good reasoning Da Vinci..you arent a CW doctor by chance are you?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bill C View Post
                  In other words, a comparison of paleo or primal against, for example, the Mediterranean diet.
                  There's also this modern study, atkins vs zone (very low carb vs some grains). In the very low carb scenario people lost more weight, higher HDL, lower triglycerides, everything better. Of course there was no control group here, there's one group of screwed up Western society people who are eating various amounts of carbs (grains). And it's not exactly paleo of course because modern studies on that don't exist yet, but it's still a pretty cool study...

                  See 22min mark.

                  The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing?) - YouTube

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                  • #24
                    should satisfy your appeal to authority.

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