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    People don't lose that much weight or improve cardiovascular health:
    A. Janet Tomiyama: Is Dieting Worth the Trouble?

  • #2
    Lol at the changing definitions of weight loss success.
    Crohn's, doing SCD

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    • #3
      Yeah, we can't get people to lose enough weight to see if there's any impact on cardivascular health, so let's just say it's not worth trying. I'd still be 185lbs with a 5% weight loss. I don't need a study to tell me that would have had almost zero impact on me physically. Nutrition science is full of the most idiotic research...
      50yo, 5'3"
      SW-195
      CW-125, part calorie counting, part transition to primal
      GW- Goals are no longer weight-related

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      • #4
        Funny, it takes the average smoker eight tries to quit. But no one ever says it's not worth it when they relapse seven times. And yes, I know a lot of people who quit on their very first try, but perhaps that's because most people don't brag about "failure."
        "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

        B*tch-lite

        Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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        • #5
          Isn't the bigger problem the "diet" mindset... that whatever they are going to do is temporary.

          I just have to quit eating "x" foods until I lose "x" lbs.

          People don't need "diets"... they need long term dietary changes. Life changes.
          “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
          ~Friedrich Nietzsche
          And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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          • #6
            Cori, as a person who has had to lose weight three times in her life, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Like criminals, who are often caught because they don't plan the "after" of a crime, I think "dieters" (or at least me) rebound because we don't plan the "after" for when we reach goal weight. I have finally learned (I hope).
            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

            B*tch-lite

            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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            • #7
              @cori and JoanieL: http://alicerants.blog.com/2012/10/27/against-diets/
              My view on the dreaded "diet".
              --
              Perfection is entirely individual. Any philosophy or pursuit that encourages individuality has merit in that it frees people. Any that encourages shackles only has merit in that it shows you how wrong and desperate the human mind can get in its pursuit of truth.

              --
              I get blunter and more narcissistic by the day.
              I'd apologize, but...

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              • #8
                yeah, a lot of people who quit on their very first try, but perhaps that's because most people don't brag about "failure."

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                • #9
                  "Although the trial led to improved quality of life, decreases in sleep apnea, reduced need for diabetes medication, and delayed physical disability, it did not achieve its most important objective of fewer strokes, heart attacks, or cardiovascular deaths."

                  Why on earth would you "give up" on something that has so many OTHER benefits, even if the main goal wasn't realised? Evidently if people have a better quality of life after losing weight, that's something to be happy about even if the incidence of cardiac events weren't reduced (but to me that's probably because they lost weight the CW way and were eating "healthy" polyunsaturated oils and margarines etc.).

                  To me the whole study is just another example of how people have been getting it all wrong for so many years!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Iron Fireling View Post
                    "Although the trial led to improved quality of life, decreases in sleep apnea, reduced need for diabetes medication, and delayed physical disability, it did not achieve its most important objective of fewer strokes, heart attacks, or cardiovascular deaths."

                    Why on earth would you "give up" on something that has so many OTHER benefits, even if the main goal wasn't realised? Evidently if people have a better quality of life after losing weight, that's something to be happy about even if the incidence of cardiac events weren't reduced (but to me that's probably because they lost weight the CW way and were eating "healthy" polyunsaturated oils and margarines etc.).

                    To me the whole study is just another example of how people have been getting it all wrong for so many years!
                    Its the failings of our current scientific method. If you weren't looking for it it doesn't matter. If the the experiment was to study the effects of diet on cardiovascular markers (usually not even the right ones) and you saw no effect then the diet was a fail. Forget about the quality of life, better sleep, less meds and so on ....that wasn't what we were studying! Heck I'm surprised they even gave that stuff an honorable mention! Usually they just bury those "side effects" of a healthy lifestyle and report "no significant change in cardio markers".

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                    • #11
                      Perhaps its the food they recommend that is the problem. When I'm on their recommended diet my cholesterol goes sky high and my blood pressure goes up - both markers for cardiac problems in their view.

                      Paleo - and those markers drop.

                      Nice to know too that I would be a screaming success with the loss of 25% of my weight with my first 13% of that in my first year, five years ago. Mind you I don't need their approval any more. Feeling healthy, becoming more flexible and fitter and having a nice wardrobe is reward enough.

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