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  • Dr Oz Smack-down

    This is old so many of you have probably seen it but I had to post it because I consider it a real bombshell. To hear Dr Weil say there is no evidence for the CW view that dietary fat causes obesity and hear him give such strong support for Taubes is huge. This helps explain why Dr Oz ambushed Taubes on on his TV show recently. I did not know they had a "TV history". Check out the expression on Oz's face when Weil says he is thin because of his genes not his diet.

    Is Dr. Andrew Weil Now Championing The Cause Of High-Fat, Low-Carb Living? Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Blog
    Last edited by Artbuc; 11-10-2012, 07:31 AM.

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    First time I ever saw Dr. Oz quiet.
    "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

    B*tch-lite

    Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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    • #3
      Weil's argument that Dr. Oz is "thin because he is a thin person" is pretty weak.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Velocity J View Post
        Weil's argument that Dr. Oz is "thin because he is a thin person" is pretty weak.
        Total mischaracterization of what Weil said.

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        • #5
          I saw GT, AW, and Dr Oz on the Larry King show where Weil completely took Taubes side saying GCBC was required reading for all of his students. Dr Oz was dumbfounded. I tried to get the YouTube link but the full versions have been deleted and only biased edits remain.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Greg Rx View Post
            I saw GT, AW, and Dr Oz on the Larry King show where Weil completely took Taubes side saying GCBC was required reading for all of his students. Dr Oz was dumbfounded. I tried to get the YouTube link but the full versions have been deleted and only biased edits remain.
            So I googled those guys, because I don't know who is who (Gary Taubes, Andrew Weil). What is the significance of Weil being on Taubes side? Why is Oz dumbfounded?

            M.
            Last edited by MEversbergII; 08-08-2013, 08:37 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MEversbergII View Post
              So I googled those guys, because I don't know who is who (Gary Taubes, Andrew Weil). What is the significance of Weil being on Taubes side? Why is Oz dumbfounded?

              M.
              Taubes is the guy who wrong "Good Calories, Bad Calories" and founded the NuSi institute with Dr. Peter Attia. These people are proponents of the neuroendocrine hypothesis of obesity (That we get fat because something affects our bodies' ability to regulate energy partitioning appropriately)

              Dr. Oz and Andrew Weil are Oprah-endorsed pushers of the conventional wisdom. Or so it had appeared. Until Weil unleashed his Taubesian fury on Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz also has oddly pointy ears and has probably had several face lifts.
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                Dr. Oz and Andrew Weil are Oprah-endorsed pushers of the conventional wisdom. Or so it had appeared. Until Weil unleashed his Taubesian fury on Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz also has oddly pointy ears and has probably had several face lifts.
                Dr. Andrew Weil does NOT push CW. He's the antithesis of Dr. Oz in most ways. Oz is a sellout who pushes the pill of the moment. Weil seeks out natural solutions to illness through use of diet and exercise and natural living, primarily, and natural supplementation is secondary. He does not push the magic pill of the moment and, in fact, often recommends against them. He promotes the anti-inflammatory diet which is remarkably similar to Paleo, emphasizing whole organic foods and eschewing processed foods. Many of the habits he recommends are also remarkably paleo, such as getting out in nature and gardening.

                I think it's inaccurate and completely unfair to categorize these two doctors in the same class. They aren't the same at all.
                High Weight: 225
                Weight at start of Primal: 189
                Current Weight: 174
                Goal Weight: 130

                Primal Start Date: 11/26/2012

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                • #9
                  Wasn't there a story some time ago saying the Dr. Oz and his family have been eating a paleo diet for a long time? He doesn't follow the vast majority of his advice from the show.
                  Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                  http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                    Dr. Oz and Andrew Weil are Oprah-endorsed pushers of the conventional wisdom. Or so it had appeared. Until Weil unleashed his Taubesian fury on Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz also has oddly pointy ears and has probably had several face lifts.
                    "Taubesian" I will have to remember this.
                    The pointy ears are from epigenetic adaptation to his vegitarian diet. JK

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                    • #11
                      I've come to completely disregard anything Oz or Taubes say at this point. Not as familiar with Weil.
                      My nutrition/fitness/critical thinking blog:

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                      • #12
                        So which of his books have you Read? Good Calories, Bad Calories was 700 pages but was very well written and had very little for a paleo person could disagree with.

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                        • #13
                          I was under the impression that Wiel was low carb, rather than CW.

                          M.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Greg Rx View Post
                            So which of his books have you Read? Good Calories, Bad Calories was 700 pages but was very well written and had very little for a paleo person could disagree with.
                            He probably didn't read it. Most people who criticize Taubes actually never read Taubes and are basing their arguments on fallacious straw man arguments that other people who never read Taubes posted in reviews of his books on Amazon.
                            The Champagne of Beards

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                            • #15
                              Taubes has also written a "Why We Get Fat" which is a less involved, easier to understand version of "Good Calories Bad Calories".
                              I watched Oz when Weil was on and OZ was actually telling Weil about the positive effects of coconut oil. Weil said that he had never heard that about coconut oil and that was something he would definitely look into. I was glad to hear Oz promoting something other than pills in a bottle. I was even happier to hear that he was going to have Taubes on. At last, maybe a good platform for supporting something other than SAD. But Oz just sat there when Taubes was on his show, with his mouth hanging open, looking at Taubes like he had lost his mind, shaking his head 'no' the whole time Taubes was talking. He gave the audience a quick review of what Taubes said basically saying not to eat that way because to was too dangerous. I haven't watched Oz since.

                              A transcript of CNN show w/ Oz, Taubes, Weil if interested:
                              http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...19/lkl.01.html
                              Last edited by pfair143; 08-09-2013, 08:02 AM. Reason: added more info

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