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  • #31
    Two experiences, admittedly anecdotal, but convincing to me.

    My endo checked my D3 level a couple of years ago, and I was in range but very low. I began supplementing with Carlson's softgel D3 (which I still use), and when I got my level to the high end of the range, I felt so much more energized and generally 'healthy.' I would not have believed it had I not experienced it. That is, I thought I felt fine when it was low, but I felt 70% better once I raised it.

    I recommended it to my sister who has a demanding job and is often stressed. She asked her internist to check her levels first; she was low, and he recommended she supplement. My sister had developed psoriasis several years ago, and it was all over her body, impossible to control. She had seen 4 different derms and had tried every remedy available without any success. One of the therapies is a 'lightbox' which is supposed to replicate natural sunshine. Everything had failed, and she was resigned to having to live with this disfiguring skin disease. She ended all treatments and meds.

    After a couple of months of supplementing with D3, her psoriasis vanished--completely except for a couple of minor spots. She made no other changes. I would never deny the efficacy of D3 produced by Big Pharma after this.

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    • #32
      The best way to get D3 is from sun exposure (without getting burn). Next is to get them from foods (sardines and organ meats). However, even then we still may not get enough. Hence supplementation of D3 may be necessary. Keep in mind that the D3 pills is not identical to the D3 produced by your body from sun.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by emmie View Post
        After a couple of months of supplementing with D3, her psoriasis vanished--completely except for a couple of minor spots. She made no other changes. I would never deny the efficacy of D3 produced by Big Pharma after this.
        As discussed already, Vitamin D3 has been synthesized for a long, long time and it's not patented. So it's an open process and therefore not produced by Big Pharma but instead by countless brands, like Carlson's. (Although if it continues to grow in sales, I'm sure that Big Pharma will undoubtedly find some way to stick their claws in it and jack up the price.)

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BlissfulWriter View Post
          The best way to get D3 is from sun exposure (without getting burn). Next is to get them from foods (sardines and organ meats). However, even then we still may not get enough. Hence supplementation of D3 may be necessary. Keep in mind that the D3 pills is not identical to the D3 produced by your body from sun.
          this is just wrong. This is not an attack on the author it is a public service announcement.

          if you live in america you do not get enough sun exposure to create vitamin D.

          JUST THINK FOR A SECOND....

          your grandparents or great grandparents pretty much lived outside. we live in offices. we do not get hours upon hours of sunlight on our skins and most of use actually use sun block for fear of cancer......

          and once you fall below minumum levels that pathway shuts down

          period

          end of conversation

          we were not designed to spend all day in a dark room.. we just weren't.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by john_e_turner_ii View Post
            I remember when Vitamin E was all the rage. The miracle pill that cured everything, until they found out quite the opposite.

            We all look for the magic bullet, but there isn't one. I am certain over the next 10-15 years, there will be enough data to show that megadoses of Vitamin D are not beneficial, and probably end up being harmful. Trust me, I hope not, but it seems to be how things go.
            I totally agree with you John. Massive doses of any substance is harmful as it alters the biochemistry in some manner...

            and... how do you define massive... Mark S will define massive for glucose as over 250g daily. for myself massive for glucose is over 75g daily... that much causes my fasting insulin to rise and I for one wont have it.

            too many variables, too many assumptions go into our words when we attempt ( and mostly fail ) to communicate.

            97% of humanity have no problem with sodium consumption at any level.... yet "we" have created guidelines to limit sodium consumption to protect the other 3% for whom a high sodium diet is fatal... the problem is 97% of humanity is under consuming sodium causing all manner of health issues.

            Humans are inevitably stupid no matter how intelligent they attempt to be, which in my opinion is the motivation for the ancestral health movement, an acknowledgement that "the more we overhaul the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain"
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            • #36
              Originally posted by DavidBrennan View Post
              Thanks for all the thoughtful info, Quelsen!

              That's an interesting thought that you offered that recommended levels of hormones are lower than the government RDAs because they're referencing sick people as their norms. Talk about a selection bias! If that is indeed true, than that level of stupidity is....well, that can't be done via stupidity, they have to be lowballing the RDAs purposely.

              What is the difference between fat- and water-soluble vitamins as it relates to our consuming them? I assume that most of us get our good saturated fats, and I also doubt many of us are dehydrating, so how would you advise us to act on the info that Vitamin D3 is fat-soluble?

              Thanks again.
              fat soluble vitamins store in the body fat whereas water soluble vitamins come out with the urine. one can build up chronic toxic levels of any fat soluble vitamin.... one can really only suffer acute toxicity with a water soluble vitamin.

              getting good fats only means having a good place to store the vitamin.. few vitamins are actually in the fats, they just bind there.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                if under 70 eat 2 million within a week; take 10K daily for 6 weeks then test again.... gets most of them to 100 every time.
                2 million within one week sounds like a lot to me. GNC sells 5,000 IU Vit D. I would have to take about 60 of those per day to get to 2,000,000 within 7 days. (Or am I doing my math wrong?)

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by SMITHR View Post
                  2 million within one week sounds like a lot to me. GNC sells 5,000 IU Vit D. I would have to take about 60 of those per day to get to 2,000,000 within 7 days. (Or am I doing my math wrong?)
                  no gnc is doing their sales wrong.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                    no gnc is doing their sales wrong.
                    My point was not to single out GNC. The point is that 5,000 IU per pill is on the high end of what is available for purchase. Taking 60 of these pills per day, or any pill for that matter, seems like a lot.

                    Are there other ways to get to an optimal level of D? Maybe taking 20,000 IU per day for 6-10 weeks, then backing down to 10,000?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by SMITHR View Post
                      My point was not to single out GNC. The point is that 5,000 IU per pill is on the high end of what is available for purchase. Taking 60 of these pills per day, or any pill for that matter, seems like a lot.

                      Are there other ways to get to an optimal level of D? Maybe taking 20,000 IU per day for 6-10 weeks, then backing down to 10,000?
                      there are other methods. and solgar makes a 10K pill. Pure Bulk sells straight powder
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                      • #41
                        Just bought some Carlson's drops from Iherb. 4,000 International Units per drop.

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                        • #42
                          There can be harm from taking D3 as a suppliment. If, that is, you don't get enough K2 complex.

                          D3 makes calcium more bioavailable (among things).

                          The K2's "tell" calcium where to go. It should be going to bones. Without enough K2, calcium goes to soft tissues, like arteries.

                          Therefore, too much D3 without enough K2 complex to tell the newly bioavaialble calcium where to go can send that calcium to soft tissues instead of bone. And yo don't want that.

                          I beleive this is one reason why women have caught up with men in terms of heart issues. Women tend to take lots of calcium, but being that they're not getting any K2 complex (which comes from things like raw milk and butter from cows eating green grass) that calcium tends to go to the arteries. Ooops.

                          So, I do take 5,000 -10,000U of D3 a day. I also take a K2 complex. I also drink raw milk and use KerryGold butter.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Dave RN View Post
                            There can be harm from taking D3 as a suppliment. If, that is, you don't get enough K2 complex.

                            D3 makes calcium more bioavailable (among things).

                            The K2's "tell" calcium where to go. It should be going to bones. Without enough K2, calcium goes to soft tissues, like arteries.

                            Therefore, too much D3 without enough K2 complex to tell the newly bioavaialble calcium where to go can send that calcium to soft tissues instead of bone. And yo don't want that.

                            I beleive this is one reason why women have caught up with men in terms of heart issues. Women tend to take lots of calcium, but being that they're not getting any K2 complex (which comes from things like raw milk and butter from cows eating green grass) that calcium tends to go to the arteries. Ooops.

                            So, I do take 5,000 -10,000U of D3 a day. I also take a K2 complex. I also drink raw milk and use KerryGold butter.
                            true true, need the K.... isnt everyone taking it?
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                            • #44
                              I will say also that in this particular case the pharmaceutical companies are definitely reacting rather than creating the trend ( I absolutely agree that they "create"....hell they invent illnesses just to invent a drug to market). But, in this case there have been holistic practitioners getting their patients on vitamin D for years before pharma decided to jump on the band wagon. So what did pharma do? Slapped a prescription grade vitamin D (50,000 IU) on a pill and marketed it to allergists and immunologists who can have the patient report to the office once a week to get their dose and check in. Simply brilliant (at making money).

                              Anyhow, vitamin D test will run you about 90 dollars if you are really interested. I can say that I don't supplement through the summer, but I begin supplementing in september to have my levels up for the winter. Makes a noticeable change. I just don't get sick.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                                I will say also that in this particular case the pharmaceutical companies are definitely reacting rather than creating the trend ( I absolutely agree that they "create"....hell they invent illnesses just to invent a drug to market). But, in this case there have been holistic practitioners getting their patients on vitamin D for years before pharma decided to jump on the band wagon. So what did pharma do? Slapped a prescription grade vitamin D (50,000 IU) on a pill and marketed it to allergists and immunologists who can have the patient report to the office once a week to get their dose and check in. Simply brilliant (at making money).
                                Unbelievable. So now if some small businessman wants to sell Vitamin D3 in 50,000 IU portions....he'll have a SWAT team raid him and steal all his stuff, just like people selling raw milk. These people literally make the laws nowadays.

                                Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                                Anyhow, vitamin D test will run you about 90 dollars if you are really interested. I can say that I don't supplement through the summer, but I begin supplementing in september to have my levels up for the winter. Makes a noticeable change. I just don't get sick.
                                Although I won't be buying any tests because of the expense, all of the responses here have made me more certain to at least continue my current supplementation. So I'm no longer thinking that it's basically just a placebo.

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