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    So I am not new to this site or the diet, I have been following for well over a year now. I have had some health benefits. However, I have recently come across some evidence supported by a lot of medical research to show that the vegan diet is actually beneficial to us. The first video is long but worth watching. The second video is a leading anthropologist which backs up the first video. Would love to hear peoples thoughts!

    Forks Over Knives | Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death

    Starchivores: John A. McDougall, M.D. & Nathaniel Dominy PhD. - YouTube

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    Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

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    • #3
      11 views, 5 stars? I call shenanigans!

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      • #4
        No there are no shenanigans, I am allowed to vote and did so.

        EDIT: Thats pretty sad that we have users here that are so immature to vote down a thread just because someone voted it up! Or maybe its being voted down for a long time user actually presenting something new.....
        Last edited by eenu; 10-08-2012, 06:13 AM.

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        • #5
          I have a series of photos under primal success stories..... One of them is from when I was a vegan. Hint..... it's the one where I look really %$%^&* fat.

          http://maggiesfeast.wordpress.com/
          Check out my blog. Hope to share lots of great recipes and ideas!

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          • #6
            LOL

            Of course that's totally contradicted by the archaeological record. There ia also (real) research that correlates this ridiculous and anti-natural diet with a raft of problems ranging from mental illness to loss of menstrual cycle to demineralization of the teeth.

            But, of course, the point here is not to seek for truth but to live in Nephelokokkygia.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eenu View Post
              No there are no shenanigans, I am allowed to vote and did so.

              EDIT: Thats pretty sad that we have users here that are so immature to vote down a thread just because someone voted it up! Or maybe its being voted down for a long time user actually presenting something new.....
              Something New?...


              If you had really been around here for any amount of time you would know that that info gets posted regularly (usually by trolls) and has been refuted, disproved & stomped to f*** to many times to count....

              Something new... hehehee...
              *Dumps more butter on popcorn.*
              Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

              http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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              • #8
                fat or not, there is sufficient medical data that meat consumption is not good for us, nor is a prolonged low carb diet. I am a large meat eater, I am not a vegan at all for the record - I adore raw steak.

                However, my background as a post doctoral researcher has also allowed me to gain the skills needed to interpret these papers/research, since for every good paper there are 5 BS ones. It also allows me to have good access to all the medical journals to read them for myself, since anyone can polish a turd. Having covered probably 80%-85% of the papers this guy references so far I can testify he isn't polishing turds and the data presented within is substantive enough to hold credibility.

                I'm not saying that Mark's primal diet is wrong, hell I have been following it for just over a year. If you want to follow it because you think it works for you thats great. I call it 'Mark's Primal' diet however as there is enough evidence from world experts to suggest that meat was not a large component of 'groks' diet. But then that doesn't go on to mean that meat isn't good for you, since 'groks' lack of meat can be down to environmental conditions, ie lack of animals to hunt or lack of success in hunting it - compared to today where you pick it off a shelf.

                However, there is a significant amount of data that proves that elimination any animal products has a significant and profound positive effect on your health. Personally I don't believe that it is as black and white as this. I believe the modern day food chain and the journey your food takes from animal to your plate plays a huge role, but I digress.

                Mark is not a qualified medical professional, by his own admission he is only telling you what he has found works for him. On the flip side the two links above (and if you start clicking links you will go deeper) are from qualified professionals both medical and anthropological supported by decades of research from around the world - and they are not trying to sell you books or supplements. Check out Dr Greger's free site and watch some of the videos. I'm not saying he is right or wrong, but for me as a professional scientist/engineer, large experimental trials with proven data is a good basis for informed decisions.

                Personally I am going to drastically alter my 'Primal' diet based on the last few months of research I have carried out. Meat is going to be drastically reduced to one good grass fed portion per week (I am considering elimination), a portion of fish, no eggs and I am also going to consider reintroducing a small amount of whole grains (this one needs more research). I am also going to eliminate dairy since I have experimented with that this last few weeks and it is definitely having adverse effects.
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                • #9
                  "LOL

                  Of course that's totally contradicted by the archaeological record. There ia also (real) research that correlates this ridiculous and anti-natural diet with a raft of problems ranging from mental illness to loss of menstrual cycle to demineralization of the teeth.

                  But, of course, the point here is not to seek for truth but to live in Nephelokokkygia."

                  Yes, there is. All of which are related to deficiency in Vit B12. But then being such an expert you will know that no animal or plant is capable of producing B12 only bacteria and archaea. Meat eaters tend to get B12 from animal meat due to its production from bacteria that lived within the animal, though studies show that this is probably still in to low a quantity than is really required. Hence why the american food gadgey's are looking to fortify foods with B12. Our 'grok' friend obtained most of his/her B12 when drinking from natural sources such as streams/rivers/wells so unless your hardcore and your drinking from any of those untreated sources, vegan or meat eater you'd still do well to supplement B12.

                  EDIT: Oh please share the archeological record that you mention that shows otherwise I would be interested to see it.
                  Last edited by eenu; 10-08-2012, 06:58 AM. Reason: Inserted quote

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                  • #10
                    However, there is a significant amount of data that proves that elimination any animal products has a significant and profound positive effect on your health. Personally
                    Well.... for me, it led to being stuck as a morbidly obese vegan that needed to kill myself with exercise to acheive a level of "regular" obesity.

                    I think vegetarianism *might* work if you can keep from falling into overeating sugar and grain products. If you can do that, hats off. Most can't.

                    Mark may not be a medical professional, but to be honest, I haven't been impressed by medical professionals advice. It straight up doesn't work for a lot of people and the accusation that you are somehow "out of control" or "lack willpower" is meaningless.

                    So what's better- morbidly obese veganism OR normal weight meateater?

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                      Where is the research? All I saw was a couple of sound bites from known non/low meat eaters.

                      Here Denise Minger takes the data from the China Study and actually looks at the results and the comments made by the studies authors who had a non/low meat bias to begin with.

                      The China Study: Fact or Fallacy? Raw Food SOS
                      One Year Later: The China Study, Revisited and Re-Bashed Raw Food SOS
                      http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/for...-and-critique/

                      As I say the fun part is she uses their data that chose to ignore.

                      Any diet that promotes whole natural foods over processed crap will be an improvement and if you have some actual research I would love to see it.

                      IMHO Veganism is not sustainable do to lack of essential nutrients and the huge amount of living creatures unnecessarily murdered.
                      Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                      • #12
                        *duplicate post*
                        Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                        PS
                        Don't forget to play!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                          Well.... for me, it led to being stuck as a morbidly obese vegan that needed to kill myself with exercise to acheive a level of "regular" obesity.

                          I think vegetarianism *might* work if you can keep from falling into overeating sugar and grain products. If you can do that, hats off. Most can't.

                          Mark may not be a medical professional, but to be honest, I haven't been impressed by medical professionals advice. It straight up doesn't work for a lot of people and the accusation that you are somehow "out of control" or "lack willpower" is meaningless.

                          So what's better- morbidly obese veganism OR normal weight meateater?
                          I'd be interested to know what you were eating on a vegan diet that was making you obese i.e. what your typical weekly diet was - thats a question out of general interest not being sarcastic or funny.

                          As for medical professionals - I don't trust them by and large i.e. GPs, Hospitals etc, but trust more in the medical research side of things and the trials and experiments that have been conducted on the subject matter.

                          I agree with your vegetarianism comment, hence my modifications to my diet.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                            Where is the research? All I saw was a couple of sound bites from known non/low meat eaters.


                            Any diet that promotes whole natural foods over processed crap will be an improvement and if you have some actual research I would love to see it.
                            Did you even watch the video? The titles, authors and journals of all papers are displayed. From there you can use google to obtain the paper and read it for yourself. Same for the website, all paper info is clearly displayed and you can easily obtain the papers and read for yourself.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eenu View Post
                              Did you even watch the video? The titles, authors and journals of all papers are displayed. From there you can use google to obtain the paper and read it for yourself. Same for the website, all paper info is clearly displayed and you can easily obtain the papers and read for yourself.
                              I have seen some of the links before and read articles written by both of them which are full of misinformation and poor logic . If you have a particular paper you would like me to read please post it- I hope you checked out my links.
                              Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                              Don't forget to play!

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