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  • #31
    Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
    When you combine the above with the blatant misinformation
    Such as?

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    • #32
      Misinformation, poor quotes, all bad and does not make for a good argument for veganism.
      Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by eenu View Post
        Such as?
        The first 7 min of your first link...awful and already answered.

        With all the time you spend posting here I am surprised you have not been able to find links to full articles.
        Last edited by Dirlot; 10-08-2012, 10:25 AM.
        Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
        PS
        Don't forget to play!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by RaeVynn View Post
          I spent 7 or 8 years as a vegan.. a very careful, organic-only, balanced diet vegan. I followed raw veganism for awhile. I followed the "Engine 2 Diet".. I was very, very morbidly obese. My fibro was getting worse. My systemic inflammation markers were off the charts. I never slept, and my hormones were so f-d up, it was unbelievable.

          Now, I'm down 60 lbs, and I can move again. My fibro is calm most of the time, my inflammation is drastically reduced, and I'm sleeping.

          You can take your veganism and shove it, as far as I'm concerned.
          Out of interest, what supplements if any were you taking?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
            The first 7 min of your first link...awful and already answered.
            Well the reason I asked is because your post you link back to only has one bit of miss information according to you, Re Egg McMuffin. The rest you went on to say in a later post you agree with:

            "If you take what he has said in the first 7 minutes is that vegetable based oils are bad, trans fats from vegetable oils are bad, grain and process foods fried in trans fat filled vegetable oils are bad. All of which I and everyone else here agrees with."

            You proceeded this by saying this was misdirection and lies, so you have to excuse me for being confused.

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            • #36
              Even the Vegan Society recognizes the lack of B12 in a vegan diet http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyl...ition/b12.aspx

              Links to articles from Veganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

              ^ a b Mangels, Reed. "Vitamin B12 in the Vegan Diet", Vegetarian Resource Group, accessed February 1, 2011.

              Johnson, Larry E. "Vitamin B12 (cobalamin)", Merck Manual Home Edition, August 2007, accessed February 2, 2011.
              Also see Norris, Jack. "Vitamin B12: Are you getting it?", Vegan Outreach, July 26, 2006, accessed February 4, 2011: "B12 is generally found in all animal foods (except honey). Contrary to rumors, there are no reliable, unfortified plant sources of vitamin B12, including tempeh, seaweeds, and organic produce. The overwhelming consensus in the mainstream nutrition community, as well as among vegan health professionals, is that plant foods do not provide vitamin B12, and fortified foods or supplements are necessary for the optimal health of vegans, and even vegetarians in many cases. Luckily, vitamin B12 is made by bacterial fermentation such that it does not need to be obtained from animal products."

              Baby Breastfed By Vegan Mother Dies

              Sounds healthy to me - not!
              Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
              PS
              Don't forget to play!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by eenu View Post
                Well the reason I asked is because your post you link back to only has one bit of miss information according to you, Re Egg McMuffin. The rest you went on to say in a later post you agree with:

                "If you take what he has said in the first 7 minutes is that vegetable based oils are bad, trans fats from vegetable oils are bad, grain and process foods fried in trans fat filled vegetable oils are bad. All of which I and everyone else here agrees with."

                You proceeded this by saying this was misdirection and lies, so you have to excuse me for being confused.
                I have always said a clean diet is best.

                If you read my original post http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post973459 you would be far less confused.

                He is mentioning a risk to heart disease and implying animal based fats are bad but the reality from the study I linked to is trans fats are all vegetable based or processed foods- face palm.

                His information on Cholesterol was again wrong the current thinking where ratio is much more important than numbers.

                If the video gets better and or more accurate please find a point and I will watch it.
                Last edited by Dirlot; 10-08-2012, 10:55 AM.
                Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                PS
                Don't forget to play!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                  Even the Vegan Society recognizes the lack of B12 in a vegan diet Vitamin B12 - The Vegan Society

                  Links to articles from Veganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                  ^ a b Mangels, Reed. "Vitamin B12 in the Vegan Diet", Vegetarian Resource Group, accessed February 1, 2011.

                  Johnson, Larry E. "Vitamin B12 (cobalamin)", Merck Manual Home Edition, August 2007, accessed February 2, 2011.
                  Also see Norris, Jack. "Vitamin B12: Are you getting it?", Vegan Outreach, July 26, 2006, accessed February 4, 2011: "B12 is generally found in all animal foods (except honey). Contrary to rumors, there are no reliable, unfortified plant sources of vitamin B12, including tempeh, seaweeds, and organic produce. The overwhelming consensus in the mainstream nutrition community, as well as among vegan health professionals, is that plant foods do not provide vitamin B12, and fortified foods or supplements are necessary for the optimal health of vegans, and even vegetarians in many cases. Luckily, vitamin B12 is made by bacterial fermentation such that it does not need to be obtained from animal products."

                  Baby Breastfed By Vegan Mother Dies

                  Sounds healthy to me - not!
                  I already discussed this here:

                  http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post973326

                  Just because TODAY a vegan diet doesn't give you B12 doesn't discredit that way of living. Clearly back in the day B12 would have been available as part of that diet. So the excuse of eating meat just because it gives you B12 is a bit of a bad argument.

                  Again, I am not a vegan myself!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by eenu View Post
                    I already discussed this here:

                    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post973326

                    Just because TODAY a vegan diet doesn't give you B12 doesn't discredit that way of living. Clearly back in the day B12 would have been available as part of that diet. So the excuse of eating meat just because it gives you B12 is a bit of a bad argument.

                    Again, I am not a vegan myself!
                    You keep saying you are not a vegan, post poor studies to promote not eating meat, and rabbit on about how good the vegan lifestyle is with no evidence or research to show for it.

                    Enjoy and if you can find a study that shows it is good (over just avoiding processed foods) or a part of that video that is not misleading please post so we can take a look.

                    I wish you luck and as others have asked what is your point on posting here?.
                    Last edited by Dirlot; 10-08-2012, 11:03 AM.
                    Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                    PS
                    Don't forget to play!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                      if you can find a study that shows it is good (over just avoiding processed foods) or a part of that video that is not misleading please do.
                      I wish you luck and as others have asked what is your point on posting here?.
                      As I already told you I will come back in a few days with the data and as for your last comment? yeah your right, why waste my energy. MDA forums seems full of people with a cult like mind status that believe they and only they are right and the rest can just burn in hell. On the flip side everyone that has come here to try and say I'm full of crap hasn't posted any scientific studies from recognised medical institutes to say otherwise!

                      So I could re-write your post to read:

                      "You keep saying you are eating optimally, but you post no studies to promote eating as you do, and you rabbit on about how good the paleo lifestyle is with no evidence or research to show for it.
                      Enjoy and if you can find a study that shows it is good (over just avoiding processed foods) or a part of that video that is not misleading please do.
                      I wish you luck and as others have asked what is your point on posting here?."

                      As I said a few posts back:

                      "One thing I do know though, if you come to this site and follow it without question your doing better than most. It would be foolish to think everything Mark says is correct though. Mark tells you to eat nuts, the Bullet proof exec tells you they are covered in mycotoxins. Who is correct? what do you eat? For every positive on a food there is a negative. I have studied three main sites that have huge followings on the net. If I religiously implemented them all, I would only eat coconut milk, vegetables and berries... All provide credible evidence and they all have dedicated followers.... Apply all 3 and you come out with a vegan diet.

                      So what do you do?"

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by eenu View Post
                        MDA forums seems full of people with a cult like mind status that believe they and only they are right and the rest can just burn in hell.
                        LOL and there it is folks!

                        There is a lot of evidence for Primal all you have to do is search many of the threads that link to studies that show the benefits of cholesterol in the diet, and the benefits of avoiding grains. They are all in the forum under different heading topics and all with links to studies.

                        BTW you are the one coming here starting this thread touting the vegan line so the onus is on you to provide valid and accurate research which you have failed to do.
                        Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                        PS
                        Don't forget to play!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                          LOL and there it is folks!

                          There is a lot of evidence for Primal all you have to do is search many of the threads that link to studies that show the benefits of cholesterol in the diet, and the benefits of avoiding grains. They are all in the forum under different heading topics and all with links to studies.

                          BTW you are the one coming here starting this thread touting the vegan line so the onus is on you to provide valid and accurate research which you have failed to do.
                          And yet your telling me to go and search for the information just like I told you the same thing. Except when I say it, its not good enough but when you do it is!? The links I provided on page one link to the website which is full of hundreds of videos each linked to relevant studies.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by eenu View Post
                            And yet your telling me to go and search for the information just like I told you the same thing. Except when I say it, its not good enough but when you do it is!? The links I provided on page one link to the website which is full of hundreds of videos each linked to relevant studies.
                            ROFL

                            I watched your videos as far as I could and the info from the 1st 7 min or so was wrong and/or misleading. You are making the argument you provide the evidence! You have failed to do either. You have not posted anything worth a refuting study as the information has been either misleading as per the videos or neutral to the one other video with links to abstracts you posted.

                            I provided links at the start regarding the China Study so your accusation is blatantly wrong. I and other have provided supportive studies to direct questions and/or conflicting research that needed a response in other threads and they are all part of the forum history.

                            Either make an argument supported by studies or go back to Veganville.
                            Last edited by Dirlot; 10-08-2012, 11:25 AM.
                            Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                            PS
                            Don't forget to play!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by eenu View Post
                              Did you even watch the video? The titles, authors and journals of all papers are displayed. From there you can use google to obtain the paper and read it for yourself. Same for the website, all paper info is clearly displayed and you can easily obtain the papers and read for yourself.
                              What you did is like being a Redskins fan going into a Cowboys forum and talking about how great the Redskins are.. It's a bit insulting.

                              I myself have watched Forks over Knives... but have you watched this? Loren Cordain - Origins and Evolution of the Western Diet

                              If you are here to learn then you need to be informed about the practices of this website.

                              Please review the video and then return for an actual conversation.

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                              • #45
                                Hi Eenu...I think you will find this interesting.

                                The ancestral human diet: what was it and should it be a paradigm for
                                contemporary nutrition?
                                S. Boyd Eaton
                                Departments of Anthropology and Radiology, Emory University, Atlanta, GA 30327

                                http://www.gregdavis.ca/share/paleo-...yd%20Eaton.pdf
                                Recent Blog: http://www.peakperformanceradio.net/...y-john-saville

                                https://www.facebook.com/PaleoJourne...?ref=bookmarks

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