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  • #46
    I dont have issues with anyone lifestyle or diet. All I am saying is that just because someone asks questions as to wether this is truly the way to eat there is really no need to be nasty. For every argument for there will be one against, but argueing is not the way. People have their own opinions but for some on this board if they dont match theirs then it must be wrong.


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    • #47
      [QUOTE=Knifegill;882887]Not due to, but associated with. And only loosely. QUOTE]

      Who says this is true. This is what I mean! All I am saying is that there are a lot of high coleseral levels on this forum, and I am quickly proved wrong.


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      • #48
        Originally posted by ilovedogs View Post
        This is what I mean! All I am saying is that there are a lot of high coleseral levels on this forum, and I am quickly proved wrong.
        It's definitely not true when it comes to women. Higher cholesterol in women is directly correlated with LOWER mortality. That's from this study:

        Is the use of cholesterol in mortality ris... [J Eval Clin Pract. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

        As far as men, there is more of a sweet spot (see the study for where that is). Many cardiologists are starting to realize that the people coming in with heart attacks don't always have high cholesterol. I'm trying to think of the study (they just talked about it on a podcast I was listening to, but I've been hearing it for years) but many actually have cholesterol levels that are too low and most have "acceptable" levels.
        Durp.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by ilovedogs View Post
          I dont have issues with anyone lifestyle or diet. All I am saying is that just because someone asks questions as to wether this is truly the way to eat there is really no need to be nasty. For every argument for there will be one against, but argueing is not the way. People have their own opinions but for some on this board if they dont match theirs then it must be wrong.
          Interesting I did a quick scan of the thread and responses to the OP were measured and succinct. The problems came in response to known passive/aggresive troll.
          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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          Don't forget to play!

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          • #50
            To the OP (and anybody else who cares). I enjoy Mark's take on the paleo/primal/ancestral diet because he writes well and clearly. He does include links to research if you read his posts. He's not the be-all-end-all for me however, and he wasn't the one whose writings convinced me to change my diet. The ones who convinced me were actually Dr. Eades' and Dr. Eenfeldt (see his video partway down this page. This was what pushed me over the edge.) LCHF for beginners | DietDoctor.com

            If you would like to know some of the research I have enjoyed reading as I decided to make a decision to eat this way, check out the research listed on Loren Cordain's website at Published Research | The Paleo Diet.

            Also, read some of the insightful if somewhat older posts on Dr. Eades' blog at The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D.. Dr Mike is really good at dissecting cholesterol research as well as other research.

            I have found that this blogger helps make sense of the research in a very intelligent and clear way. Health Correlator

            This blog also is very good at taking research and digesting it into readable (and fairly entertaining) posts. GNOLLS.ORG - Home of J. Stanton and The Gnoll Credo

            I do not read this blog, but others do. Hyperlipid

            This is another blog people comment on often that I personally do not read. Perfect Health Diet - A diet for healing chronic disease, restoring youthful vitality, and achieving long life

            If you are interested in a raw food, former vegan point of view, this blog is very good. She's really good at dissecting the research and not afraid to be critical about some of Paleo's sacred cows. Raw Food SOS

            Yes, these are blogs, but these folks read the research, post the relevant graphs, dissect the meaningful points, and if the conclusions were faulty they point that out. I don't have a medical school or scientific education so I trust that these folks are doing well to help me understand. This is grass-roots knowledge sharing. None of these people make money off me.

            Finally, one reason I became convinced to try this was that CW is always telling you to eat more vegetables, fruits and lean meats and that's the majority of what paleo (and variations on it) recommend. I read Michael Pollan who recommended eating real food, too, and I found his books to be convincing. Heck, fruit and vegetables are the foundation of the vegan and vegetarian diets. Even the first lady is trying to get people to eat more vegetables. Even Dr. Oz wants you to eat more vegetables. The no grains and legumes thing seemed odd to me at first, too, but since I felt I needed the low carb thing I went for it to see if it would work.

            That it worked for what I hoped it would work for and exceeded my expectations was completely unexpected.
            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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            • #51
              My cholesterol is getting steadily higher and higher, thank goodness. You want high cholesterol. It's a good thing.
              Crohn's, doing SCD

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              • #52
                What's old is new again. Back in the 1960's my, college educated, mother told me, 'eat your meat and vegetables, starch ( her word for carbs) makes you fat. Advice I ended up ignoring over the years to my detriment. CW changes over time, and it seems to have changed for the worse. For what reason I don't know for sure but if I was cynical I'd say follow the money. You can find 100 year old crowd photos on the web and what's amazing is how thin everyone is. Something, in our time, must be wrong. Can You tell me what?

                Tercio

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                • #53
                  Cause I've done my own research and come to my own conclusions. I don't rely any anybody elses "word". Read assimilate, scrutinize, and repeat.

                  That said...."health" is not a destination to reach, but a path to follow. New information will continue to surface throughout your life. Use it to the best of your knowledge. Right now Primal has it pretty dead on for the current data available IMO.

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                  • #54
                    [QUOTE=ilovedogs;882897]
                    Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                    Not due to, but associated with. And only loosely. QUOTE]

                    Who says this is true. This is what I mean! All I am saying is that there are a lot of high coleseral levels on this forum, and I am quickly proved wrong.

                    Meh, nothing in science is "true"....scientific studies do not produce truth. It infers, speculates, points to, or may disprove or support a hypothesis. Thats the fun of it . There are very little "truths" known in the biological sciences. If it isn't math based you can't prove it right? BUT, you take what you got and use it to the best of your abilities.

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                    • #55
                      Wait WHAT? Why is everybody saying this is all based on how you feel? Let me eat some more sugar then. Makes me feel very awesome. And bread? Doesn't make me feel different than meat. Please tell me there is some good scientific evidence grains are really bad. Because I hate doing certain things just because it makes other people feel good.
                      I have done plenty of research why I should avoid too much PUFA and I am convinced I shouldn't eat too much of it. But grains? I haven't done much research on that myself but I would love to see some good evidence.
                      well then

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                      • #56
                        I think it is all in personal experimentation. Because there is so much conflicting scientific research it is important that people find what works for them. I was a vegetarian for a while and had constant carb binges, I was vegan and my hair fell out and I was constantly tired after the first few weeks. I tried portion control and that doesn't work for me. Turns out I am a "grain" addict. You can consider a Primal lifestyle as my recovery program
                        Suddenly I eat normally. This program has therefore worked for me. Besides no one said "Mark is right." Everything he says should still be taken with a grain of salt. The good thing about Mark is that he provides (mostly) reliable sources for much of the assumptions he makes regarding health. And it is fairly balanced in terms of showing both sides of the story. Also your approach is totally wrong. No one is wrong or right. Science is never wrong or right (trust me I know I am studying to be a molecular biologist). "Evidence" merely supports or disproves an idea. That is all.

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                        • #57
                          gadsie, stick with your research, learn to parse the stupid sources from the good ones, and don't take shit posted here so literally!

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                          • #58
                            Gadsie, things are different when you're young. Your body hasn't been beat up like when you're middle aged and feeling the abuse. You can get away with a lot more, and I wouldn't worry about it as much if I were your age.

                            Bad food is kind of like bad relationship choices when you're young. Yeah, the highs and lows are exciting when you're 19 and life is all about non-stop adrenaline. When you're in your 40s, you realize the drama is a pain in the ass and it would be really nice to find someone that just makes you happy and feeling prett good all the time, not insanely high and then in the pits of hell the next day.

                            That's kind of how "bad" food is - like a dysfunctional relationship. You feel really great, and then you feel like crap. Repeat as many times as needed to learn that it sucks over the long haul.
                            Durp.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Bananabonobo View Post
                              gadsie, stick with your research, learn to parse the stupid sources from the good ones, and don't take shit posted here so literally!
                              Well as long as I didn't do research on something myself I just believe what mark says. I know i shouldn't just believe it right away but it's better than going to cnn.com or something.
                              But there are certain things I can't figure out anything about. For example dairy, I have asked multiple times how "healthy" dairy is. I always get answers like "how do you feel after eating it?" or "I don't know but I eat it in moderation". These answers are completely worthless to me.
                              With cases like this I just go by my own logic. I realize milk is for rapid growing calfs so I guess it's not very healthy.
                              well then

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                              • #60
                                The reason you're not getting a clear answer on dairy (I think) is because I don't believe there really IS one. A lot of people do really well with dairy and don't have an health issues because of it. Others find it's a problem. Unless it's a problem for you specifically, I wouldn't worry about it. Go for it!
                                Durp.

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