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  • #31
    I follow Mark in hopes of him telling me about his hair care products.
    If I just said LOL, I lied. Do or do not. There is no try.

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    • #32
      oh also, to the OP:
      Find a doctor friend and ask how much research they've done. The fields are VERY VERY different. Practicing doctors essentially implement policy; they don't go out and collect data from controlled experiments. (They might collect retroactive data and give it to research scientists and statisticians, but that's more like sociology than biochemistry. The two ways of operating are not the same standard.) A really, truly smart doctor will admit what they don't know, but that's not really kosher to do in front of 95% of patients because they want the reassurance of thinking their practitioner is confident in their advice.

      I got into med school and decided not to go in part because that principle really annoyed me... I would rather question things and design experiments to answer my questions than parrot accepted policy. It was a failing of mine, because I'd have a shade more income by now if I hadn't made that decision.

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      • #33
        Why Mark? The problems associated with grains are very will documented just check out the whole wheat board and the studies they post they show very clearly how bad grains are.
        Why Mark? Without protein you die. Without fat you die? Without carbs you can keep going. I am not advocating not eating your vegetables but it seems madness that the government recommends getting most of our calories from carbs including a huge portion of grains.
        Why Mark? Not a scientific study but all I have to do is walk out my door and I can see how a low fat high grain diet is not working.

        From the thread
        The men who made us fat
        Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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        Don't forget to play!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bananabonobo View Post
          I would also wish that basic education would include more market economics, because I have no fucking clue how that works and it doesn't seem like the market economists do very well at it either.
          I'm about to tip my anarcho-capitalist hand here.... but do yourself a favor and learn the truth Paul Krugman refuses to acknowledge publicly. An "Introduction to Austrian Economics" is the course for you, video and audio lectures with reference materials. The "Western Civilization" lectures are badass as well.

          Liberty Classroom | The history and economics they didn't teach you.
          Went Primal: 20 DEC 2011
          Starting: 6'1" 220 lbs
          Starting Energy: "bleh...."
          Current: 183 lbs @ 8.33% BF (Jackson/Pollock 4 caliper method)
          Current Energy: "WOOHOO!" See my journal HERE.

          "Paleo? Try it, but be wary of the cult mentality that comes with it. Paleovangelists are everywhere and a bit scary."

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          • #35
            Originally posted by justyouraveragecavemen View Post
            i follow mark in hopes of him telling me about his hair care products.
            +1000 haha
            Went Primal: 20 DEC 2011
            Starting: 6'1" 220 lbs
            Starting Energy: "bleh...."
            Current: 183 lbs @ 8.33% BF (Jackson/Pollock 4 caliper method)
            Current Energy: "WOOHOO!" See my journal HERE.

            "Paleo? Try it, but be wary of the cult mentality that comes with it. Paleovangelists are everywhere and a bit scary."

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            • #36
              Kathy, I have to wonder why you're even on this forum. The word trolling comes to mind. We're not just a bunch of idiots, most of us are doing this because it works for us. Most of us have spent many years following exactly what the government's recommendations are regarding how to eat, and it's gotten us nowhere. At this point, I don't even think you're really interested in understanding why we choose to eat this way, you're just here to pick a fight. So, please, go find another forum to be a troll on.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                Resorting to ad-hominem, that's a proof of intelligence.
                Being threatened by someone else's eating and lifestyle choices doesn't exactly ring of brilliance, either, honey.

                For you MUST be threatened by our primal lifestyle to care enough to spend this much time attempting to cast us as the naive fools falling for...I dunno, I stopped reading your stuff as soon as I realized what your deal was.

                Be FREE, Kathy!! Be FREE to live however you choose that doesn't hurt another. And allow us the same courtesy.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by palebluedots View Post
                  Kathy, I have to wonder why you're even on this forum. The word trolling comes to mind. We're not just a bunch of idiots, most of us are doing this because it works for us. Most of us have spent many years following exactly what the government's recommendations are regarding how to eat, and it's gotten us nowhere. At this point, I don't even think you're really interested in understanding why we choose to eat this way, you're just here to pick a fight. So, please, go find another forum to be a troll on.
                  While it is a form of trolling, I think Kathy has a stake in proving paleo wrong. I imagine Kathy either tried Paleo and for whatever reason it didn't work for her or she adheres to another lifestyle, like vegan. She has a dog in this fight, you see. If paleo works, then maybe that means that she has made a wrong choice. Therefore, she has to attack the primal lifestyle to affirm her own.

                  I know, I know...given her obvious level of superiority, it is hard to believe that Kathy could have made a mistake, but that's my theory.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by mikezentz View Post
                    I would actually love to see some of the pro-paleo/primal medical research. There's got to be some out there.
                    It'll cost but go here and buy this webinar Login OPT: The Science of Nutrition. The lecturer is Matt Lalonde PhD biochemist from Harvard.
                    Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by orielwen View Post
                      I must admit, I couldn't care less about Grok. Like you, I don't believe it's possible to know to any degree of accuracy what all Groks over tens of thousands of years and thousands of square miles of different habitats and climates ate or didn't eat and in what proportions. I do not consider anyone's speculation about what our remote ancestors did to be evidence about what is good for us now.
                      I think Mat Lalonde really summed up what I feel about the "what did Grok/paleo man eat?" question.

                      From:
                      What Science Really Says About the Paleo Diet – With Mat Lalonde

                      ....itís just so simple to ridicule the whole caveman argument that I wanted to go beyond that, I wanted to give people a little bit more to think about, so if you are on a paleo diet, or what I prefer to say actually, because thereís really no such thing as a paleo diet. The foods arenít available anymore. You can try to mimic it. Thatís the best you can do. But a diet thatís meat, vegetables, tubers, and fruits. Thatís what I call it. Typical arguments for this will go like this: Our ancestors and modern hunter-gatherers consumed a diet that was mostly devoid of grains, legumes, and dairy, and they were virtually free of diseases of civilization. People then make the invalid inference that consuming a diet mostly devoid of grains, legumes, and dairy will thus allow us to be free of diseases of civilization.

                      ...So observational epidemiology is great for formulating hypotheses and asking questions, but it doesnít answer any questions.
                      That's from the beginning of the podcast, but really? The whole thing is worth listening to.

                      Paleo is a great starting point for generating theories on what is a better and healthier way to eat. I eliminated grains from my diet. I felt better. I eliminated legumes. I felt better. I eliminate most dairy. I felt better. Raw cheese, cream, and butter still works for me. I don't really care what paleo man ate. But I do look to it to try and figure out if I should adjust what I'm eating. I am my own experiment.
                      Steph
                      My Primal Meanderings

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                        Is paleo lifestyle only practiced in the United States? If so, then no wonder your perspective is limited to that culture alone. And when you say America are you referring to geographical location or political?
                        These arguments and debates where there are such large swooping generalizations and are based on such limited cultures without broader global context are prove to me that I can't take any of this "evidence" seriously.
                        Followed by:

                        Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                        Please show the relevance of my culture to this conversation.
                        Seriously? Bitch about how they're not taking culture into account, then say your culture doesn't matter? You're arguing just for the sake of arguing.

                        Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                        Just like the previous poster, did the right thing by putting me on ignore as they have no answers to my questions and any evidence to support their stance.
                        (Emphasis added)

                        That's a bit of an assumption. There are quite a few reasons people would put you on ignore, not the least of which are that you are never satisfied with a good answer, have been asking the same questions for months (or more), even after having obtained good answers from people with way more patience than I have, and you're getting to be annoying as crap because of the previously addressed reasons.

                        Those are all pretty good reasons to put you on ignore, but I guess you can stick with thinking they're cowering in a corner after feeling threatened by your obviously superior intellect.
                        Durp.

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                        • #42
                          I do sort of agree with the blood work thing, there are an awful lot of people remarking on how high their cholesteral is. My freinds hubby just got rushed into hospital on Saturday with a heart attack due to high cholesteral.

                          Also I do find that some people on here can be very aggresive at times, like when I said I did not eat meat for instance, and to call someone a bitch is really uncalled for.

                          I think it is true that whatever suits your body is the best nutrition.

                          If some people want to believe every word Mark says then that is up to them, me peronally I learned a lot from this site but am sceptical about some things.


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                          • #43
                            I don't have to trust what Mark says, I believe in evolution and science, if you do too I can't see where you could have any issues with this lifestyle / diet. Just ask any anthropologist about how man generally lived and ate 20,000 years ago and he will tell you the same things. Ask any evolutionary scientist if man has had time to fully adapt to grains (especially corn) and he'll tell you "no". What more could someone want?

                            However, if you don't believe in evolution I recommend asking god (what ever god you happen to believe it) and just do what ever he says.

                            I just listen to Mark because he helps me live this life style easier (and because he's cool).
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                            Is your cave located in Minnesota? Join the "Paleo Friends - Minnesota" group on Facebook. We can always use Paleo friendly restaurant finds and tips.

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                            • #44
                              heart attack due to high cholesteral.
                              Not due to, but associated with. And only loosely. People who get cut a lot wear a lot of band-aids. Therefore, wearing band-aids causes cuts. Pretty obvious, huh? And even then, you get people with cuts and no band-aids, and band-aids with no cuts. Same for cholesterol. At best, it might be an indicator of inflammatory disease in the body. Trying to alter cholesterol to prevent heart disease is like changing the shape of the band-aid to reduce the severity of a cut. Makes no sense at all.
                              Crohn's, doing SCD

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                              • #45
                                high cholesterol + high blood sugar = heart attack
                                F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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