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    So here's my dilemma...I've been reading Protein Power Life Plan along with a more recent book by the Drs. Eades, and they suggest stopping all meds that impact liver function, including Atenolol, which my doctor prescribed last summer when I had a weird interval. (I've since thought it was probably an allergic reaction, but whatever.) He prescribed 25 mg. a day, which doesn't seem like much, but I am quite anti-pill if I don't have to take them. (I've declined statins and other potentially harmful prescriptions.)

    I'm feeling MUCH better, haven't actually been back to the doctor since last summer. I've lost 30+ pounds with Primal Blueprint since last September, and I exercise more (as much as I can with arthritis and no cartilage in my knees.) I look better, I've got no GERD, acid reflux, heartburn only a couple of times in the past year, no insulin spikes or weird cravings, etc.

    So I've been weaning myself off Atenonol, though they say you should do that under a doctor's supervision. Mostly I was taking it every other night, now I'm skipping two nights in a row. My BP remains good, whether I take it or not. (My husband had a home BP cuff which I monitor when I think of it.)

    Anybody have any thoughts on that? After 2 nights of no pill, my BP was 121 over 73. This is GOOD, yes?
    Best--
    Kate

    Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

    70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

    Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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    Keep a log of when you take a pill (or 1/2 or 1/4 of a pill) and also record your BP in a log, either daily or twice daily.

    Your doctor will be much more likely to go along with your self treatment if you can demonstrate objectively the effects of the treatment.

    My dad did something similar. One of his pills made him sleepy, and a second pill have him nausea. He experimented with combining the doses and came up with 1/4 of 1 pill and 1/2 of the other, to get better results and no side effects from either. But since they are produced by two different pharmaceutical companies I can't ever see there being a clinical trial demonstrating the efficacy of taking them in combination the way he did. His doctor was opposed to it, but once he saw the logbook, he was ok (and i guess, seeing the writing on the wall).
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    • #3
      Here is some great news.....It is your body, so your allowed to do what you want with it! I would monitor it of course from the standpoint of your own N=1 and coming off it a little at a time seems prudent. I would expect you'll do just fine without it. Congrats on taking the bull by the horns!

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      • #4
        than x Neckhammer!!
        i would also like to use it thoroughly !!
        again thanx!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
          Keep a log of when you take a pill (or 1/2 or 1/4 of a pill) and also record your BP in a log, either daily or twice daily.
          Taking a portion of the pill is better than skipping days, this will keep your blood dosage level stable. Providing better more useful data.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
            Keep a log of when you take a pill (or 1/2 or 1/4 of a pill) and also record your BP in a log, either daily or twice daily.

            Your doctor will be much more likely to go along with your self treatment if you can demonstrate objectively the effects of the treatment.

            My dad did something similar. One of his pills made him sleepy, and a second pill have him nausea. He experimented with combining the doses and came up with 1/4 of 1 pill and 1/2 of the other, to get better results and no side effects from either. But since they are produced by two different pharmaceutical companies I can't ever see there being a clinical trial demonstrating the efficacy of taking them in combination the way he did. His doctor was opposed to it, but once he saw the logbook, he was ok (and i guess, seeing the writing on the wall).
            Good advice, thanks! I took half a pill last night, we'll see how the old BP reads this morning. And good for your dad!
            Best--
            Kate

            Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

            70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

            Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
              Here is some great news.....It is your body, so your allowed to do what you want with it! I would monitor it of course from the standpoint of your own N=1 and coming off it a little at a time seems prudent. I would expect you'll do just fine without it. Congrats on taking the bull by the horns!
              It is mine indeed, Neckhammer! That's why I've declined statins and meds for bone densitiy...I just adjusted my diet and got more sunshine, plus taking vitamin D. I do plan to be around for a nice long time, though, so the Eades' advice to just STOP taking Atenolol seemed a tad abrupt. And thanks!
              Best--
              Kate

              Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

              70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

              Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wanderlust View Post
                Taking a portion of the pill is better than skipping days, this will keep your blood dosage level stable. Providing better more useful data.
                Yes, I don't know why I hadn't thought of that. Of course I never go to a doctor unless I really NEED to, but I've been thinking new numbers might be useful. I'd like to see what Primal Blueprint is doing inside me, too...I'm pretty impressed with what I can track myself.
                Best--
                Kate

                Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

                70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

                Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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                • #9
                  So, I'm down to 1/4 pill a day, unless I forget altogether, and my BP is running pretty consistently 116 or 119 (so far, tops usually in the 120s) over 70-something, unless I've just been exerting myself. Feeling good! (Still haven't gone to the doctor to have numbers checked, but what the heck...)

                  Thanks for the good advice, guys!
                  Best--
                  Kate

                  Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

                  70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

                  Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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                  • #10
                    The last few days have popped up into the 130s systolic, no idea why (down to 124/66 today, though, so good)...and I DID go to the doctor for a Well Woman checkup this week, waiting for lab results. It was really not that great at the doctor's, but not a big surprise I don't think. I REALLY expect better numbers than last year, and certainly showed a significant weight loss. More on our home scale, natch, but still...good.
                    Last edited by Kate Ruckman; 08-05-2012, 02:30 PM.
                    Best--
                    Kate

                    Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

                    70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

                    Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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                    • #11
                      great job! I was able to get off my bp meds as well. I know there are times of the month where my bp rises especially around that time of the month due to hormonal fluctations If I have anything really high is salt, that does it as well. Also time of day is a big difference. I am higher in the morning, lower in the afternoon. At one point, I was on lisinopril but I was able to move down to hctz once I lost weight. Now I am on no meds. My doctor said if I need to take a little hctz if I am too high or that time of the month, I can do it without being on it all the time. She said she does the same. So you might have a conversation with your doctor.

                      I think there was a recent study published that one of the paleo guys had on his facebook page, can't remember who. That talked about how for mild hypertension medication is not that helpful for preventing heart attacks, strokes.

                      I use an app on my iphone that tracks my bp. It's proven very helpful and I always have it with me to show my doctor. I have a family history of high blood pressure, 2 brothers and a father who also has diabetes. My older brother and I can control it with diet and weight loss. My other brother probably as well but he has no desire. It's sad because he moves from job to job and doesn't have reliable health care of pay for bp meds. I am waiting for the day when he has a heart attack or stroke and is definitely going to become a diabetic as well.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks, cavequeen! I'm not completely off them, but only taking a half or a quarter of 25 mg. of Atenolol. The weight loss and primal diet has helped, a LOT. Just had my Well Woman checkup and EVERYTHING was normal, including cholesterol, first time in years. Happy!

                        I'm so glad you've been able to control it! I should ask my Dr. about only using it when I need it...I went to the nurse practitioner, told her I didn't like taking it since it's not good for your liver and I NEED my liver, and she said "yeah, but you need your heart, too." Well, yes...siiiigh.



                        Originally posted by cavequeen View Post
                        great job! I was able to get off my bp meds as well. I know there are times of the month where my bp rises especially around that time of the month due to hormonal fluctations If I have anything really high is salt, that does it as well. Also time of day is a big difference. I am higher in the morning, lower in the afternoon. At one point, I was on lisinopril but I was able to move down to hctz once I lost weight. Now I am on no meds. My doctor said if I need to take a little hctz if I am too high or that time of the month, I can do it without being on it all the time. She said she does the same. So you might have a conversation with your doctor.

                        I think there was a recent study published that one of the paleo guys had on his facebook page, can't remember who. That talked about how for mild hypertension medication is not that helpful for preventing heart attacks, strokes.

                        I use an app on my iphone that tracks my bp. It's proven very helpful and I always have it with me to show my doctor. I have a family history of high blood pressure, 2 brothers and a father who also has diabetes. My older brother and I can control it with diet and weight loss. My other brother probably as well but he has no desire. It's sad because he moves from job to job and doesn't have reliable health care of pay for bp meds. I am waiting for the day when he has a heart attack or stroke and is definitely going to become a diabetic as well.
                        Best--
                        Kate

                        Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

                        70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

                        Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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                        • #13
                          I took two lots of meds for blood pressure. I started what I call Primal Light (I cheat a bit) in March. After losing getting on for 28lbs I found my BP coming down so I contacted my doctor and came off one of them. I have also been doing HIT exercise & strength training which has brought my pulse down from 60ish to mid 40ies. When we went on vacation we stayed a few days longer than expected and I ran out of pills. I stayed off them when we got back and I sent an e-mail to my doctor stating I am staying off them unless the BP goes up again. I have now lost 36lbs and weight still coming off so I do not expect I'll have to go back to medication.
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                          • #14
                            There are other meds you can take to control B/P also. Atenolol controls B/P via slowing you heart rate, as with any drug that ends is OLOL. Maybe if your B/P isn't controlled with diet and exercise you can talk to your doctor or pharmacist about other options that have fewer side effects.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nigel View Post
                              I took two lots of meds for blood pressure. I started what I call Primal Light (I cheat a bit) in March. After losing getting on for 28lbs I found my BP coming down so I contacted my doctor and came off one of them. I have also been doing HIT exercise & strength training which has brought my pulse down from 60ish to mid 40ies. When we went on vacation we stayed a few days longer than expected and I ran out of pills. I stayed off them when we got back and I sent an e-mail to my doctor stating I am staying off them unless the BP goes up again. I have now lost 36lbs and weight still coming off so I do not expect I'll have to go back to medication.
                              Hey, good for you! What's HIT exercise? I'm doing some resistance training, love it. I find BP varies quite a bit, but not scarily so, at this point...I'm down to about 1/4 pill.
                              Best--
                              Kate

                              Still Craving Pterodactyl--my Primal Blueprint blog

                              70 is the new 50--without the hot flashes!

                              Goals: Feel good, be stronger, and hopefully kick that arthritis in the backside! Oh, yeah, and losing more weight would be okay, too.

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