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  • #91
    Originally posted by patski View Post
    This collective dick-measuring about who is right and who isn't is tiring. Both sides need to chill, and take a healthy dose of Fuckitol as Grumpy states. Why? One day, we're all going to die. And when we're on our deathbeds, I'm sure we'll be wondering why we spent hours on the internet wracking our brains over what to eat, how often, are carbs teh devil?!?!!?, is this a toxin?!?! etc.

    All I know is, I've taken Matt's advice eating very easy to digest carbs, sugar, dairy and eggs, and I'm feeling better and actually having regular BM for the first time...in...uh...ever? While I appreciate the basic tenants of paleo, the community and the 'lifestyle' or Way of Eating has really turned into a cult with people turning into hypochondriac, orthorexic snobs who cannot take a lick of criticism or even think they might be other ways for people to live and eat healthfully.

    Obsessing and endless researching on the net, buying every single fucking supplement that the current primal/paleo guru recommends is not the way to do it.

    Relax. Sleep. Play. Go meditate for 20 minutes. That will do you a world of good rather than the insane craziness I see on the web.
    I feel the same. Nobody really knows what the best approach to health is, everyone is kinda winging it here. Everyone is so different.

    Since I've started to eat easy to digest foods (carbs from fruit mostly) and included dairy (having taken it out for 4 years) I finally feel alive! People will argue that the 'lifestyle' choice isn't a cult, but the moment you mention something that isn't in the Paleo bible (diet of fucking bacon and broccoli), people are quick to bash you out of the group. There are very, very few exceptions from the paleo authors.

    I think that it's mostly important to upgrade the quality of any food group in this 'lifestyle choice' rather than obsessing over whether or not it's good for you. One's body will inform the effects of food group 'X'.

    Looking back, I cannot believe how much I spend on supplements and these supposedly "super foods" that aren't supplements, but are "food". I never felt or looked any different taking them, but I feel great not pouring what little income I have into a jar of powder and instead buy raw milk!

    Thanks to those whom helped me realise that there is more to what we eat than meat and veg. Thanks for holding a mirror up to my reality of the past few years and helping me realise that it was not working. Just because someone wrote about it doesn't mean it works.
    Last edited by Nstocks; 05-23-2013, 07:51 AM.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Zach View Post
      At the end of the day i deal in real life experiences and common sense.
      I'm very thankful to be on the receiving end of that. Thank you for not telling me to "PALEO HARDER". I'm starting to feel alive now that I the two food groups I've avoided for years: Fruit and dairy. (raw milk).

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      • #93
        Besides, "facts" are usually revealed to be anecdotal and based on confirmation bias. "Thousands of people I have had personal contact with" may turn out to be "three or four people who have had a problem their whole lives and written about it multiple times" or even "one guy who has since changed his mind".

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Nstocks View Post
          I'm very thankful to be on the receiving end of that. Thank you for not telling me to "PALEO HARDER". I'm starting to feel alive now that I the two food groups I've avoided for years: Fruit and dairy. (raw milk).


          The is something magical about the fruit and dairy combo!

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Zach View Post
            Sorry, jack. I honestly dont care at all to go through hours of Matt Stones writing just to point out why some random persons opinion of him is wrong. I also dont care to back up everything i say with "facts" because again, i dont care if you or any others believe me or decide to eat a certain way based on my recomendations. Facts will get you nowhere fast in the end because most facts are actually just theorys or opinions disguised as facts. Go ahead and take Mark Sissons word on the carb curve if you like but i would certainly never call it a fact even though asserts it as so. At the end of the day i deal in real life experiences and common sense.
            I'm surprised to see, "I also dont care to back up everything i say with "facts" because again, i dont care if you or any others believe me or decide to eat a certain way based on my recommendations."

            I doubt you would put that as part of your signature, (the part that currently says "Let's talk about carbs...") although I wish more people, who really don't care on this site, WOULD put that in their signature so I would just know ahead of time.

            That way I don't read through their posts, and read some of the people they recommend, ask them questions through PM, challenge them (as everyone should be challenged on their views), and find out that it was pointless lol.

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            • #96
              Tell me why is should care what you or anyone else thinks? I still honestly dont understand your line of questioning.

              I have helped at least 10 people directly through this site, get their health and quality of life in a better place. These people were willing to have an open mind an experiment. These are people who have directly contacted me and i have built at least a little of a relationship with. That is the only reason i am here. Debating health with randoms who already have their minds made up is absolutely not something im interested in.

              The only reason i posted in this thread was to defend a friend who was gettig unfairly criticized from people who know very little to nothing about him or his work.

              In the end, i have found what works, and thats all i care about. If others get helped along the way, thats just a bonus.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by patski View Post
                While I appreciate the basic tenants of paleo, the community and the 'lifestyle' or Way of Eating has really turned into a cult with people turning into hypochondriac, orthorexic snobs who cannot take a lick of criticism or even think they might be other ways for people to live and eat healthfully.

                Obsessing and endless researching on the net, buying every single fucking supplement that the current primal/paleo guru recommends is not the way to do it.

                Relax. Sleep. Play. Go meditate for 20 minutes. That will do you a world of good rather than the insane craziness I see on the web.
                Um, Pat, you know I adore you but seriously ?l?! Primal is all about sleep, de-stressing, playing and meditating.

                Lots of people here don't take any supplements, myself included and Mark even said in so many words at the last AHS that supps were not necessary for a healthy person eating optimally.

                Yes, there are some hypochondriac headcases with serious ED problems around these boards, I suspect any health/fitness related site attracts its share of them, but that is not Primal. smh.

                Originally posted by Nstocks View Post
                Since I've started to eat easy to digest foods (carbs from fruit mostly) and included dairy (having taken it out for 4 years) I finally feel alive! People will argue that the 'lifestyle' choice isn't a cult, but the moment you mention something that isn't in the Paleo bible (diet of fucking bacon and broccoli), people are quick to bash you out of the group. There are very, very few exceptions from the paleo authors.

                Looking back, I cannot believe how much I spend on supplements and these supposedly "super foods" that aren't supplements, but are "food". I feel great not pouring what little income I have into a jar of powder and instead buy raw milk!

                Thanks to those whom helped me realise that there is more to what we eat than meat and veg. Thanks for holding a mirror up to my reality of the past few years and helping me realise that it was not working. Just because someone wrote about it doesn't mean it works.
                News flash. Not everyone who eats Primal lives on broccoli and bacon and never touches milk or fruit. In fact I never eat broccoli or bacon and often eat dairy and fruit.

                There are a lot of ways to be Primal. IDK where this "cult of Primal" myth sprung up. Maybe on Matt's site. The same place one learns to insert an f bomb in every sentence perhaps?
                Last edited by Paleobird; 05-23-2013, 12:07 PM.

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                • #98
                  I'm sure when I read TPB it didn't say you couldn't eat fruit and dairy.. Sure it suggests you avoid dairy if it causes you issues, but that's a no brainier, right?

                  Even beyond Primal, paleo "gurus" like Robb Wolf suggest you just cut out dairy for the first month, then reintroduce it to test if you do have any reaction. If you don't, fill your boots. Surely, just common sense?
                  If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

                  Originally posted by tfarny
                  If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                    News flash. Not everyone who eats Primal lives on broccoli and bacon and never touches milk or fruit. In fact I never eat broccoli or bacon and often eat dairy and fruit.

                    There are a lot of ways to be Primal. IDK where this "cult of Primal" myth sprung up. Maybe on Matt's site. The same place one learns to insert an f bomb in every sentence perhaps?
                    Ok, it must just be ALL of the Paleo books and blogs which clearly say "NO DAIRY". There are very, very few exceptions to which I pointed out. As far as fruit goes, I have yet to see the recommendation of more than 4 portions of fruit (not just berries) in this "non-cult". Which, according to you are only allowed on "special occasions".

                    Again, it must just I that I happens to see every thread about eating bacon (or steak) for breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks and desserts in some weird way. (Chocolate bacon brownies for instance). Again, it must be exclusive to my eyes only, but whenever I see the Paleo authors (mostly) talk about FAQ's or queries from newcomers, they state over and over again to newcomers that you don't have to eat chicken and broccoli at every meal. (We have to get our information from somewhere, hence the exaggeration of the authors) Again, it must just be I whom see's those comments and wonder why the newcomers come to the conclusion that Paleo is just about chicken and broccoli.

                    I've visited Matt's site once or twice. I've barley heard of the guy so no, he didn't brainwash me into this "non-cult". Are you really that ignorant to let the posts that Mark himself write about saying "this is not a bible" just wash over you? You put yourself in a box 'Paleobird'.

                    I know you must think that you are superior to most (I've seen a lot of your posts) but the occasional swear wear is allowed if one feels the need to express themselves. Don't worry, Robb Wolf does it too! I guess that because you are so regimented into the black and white, right or wrong on this forum, this kind of outburst is prohibited.
                    Last edited by Nstocks; 05-23-2013, 01:56 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by Nstocks View Post
                      Ok, it must just be ALL of the Paleo books and blogs which clearly say "NO DAIRY". There are very, very few exception to which I pointed out. As far as fruit goes, I have yet to see the recommendation of more than 4 portions of fruit (not just berries) in this "non-cult". Which, according to you are only allowed on "special occasions".

                      Again, it must just I that I happens to see every thread about eating bacon (or steak) for breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks and desserts in some weird way. (Chocolate bacon brownies for instance). Again, it must be exclusive to my eyes only, but whenever I see the Paleo authors (mostly) talk about FAQ's or queries from newcomers, they state over and over again to newcomers that you don't have to eat chicken and broccoli at every meal. Again, it must just be I that see's those comments and wonder why the newcomers come to the conclusion that Paleo is just about chicken and broccoli.

                      I've visited Matt's site once or twice. I've barley heard of the guy so no, he didn't brainwash me into this "non-cult". Are you really that ignorant to let the posts that Mark himself write about saying "this is not a bible" just wash over you? You put yourself in a box 'Paleobird'.

                      I know you must think that you are superior to most (I've seen a lot of your posts) but the occasional swear wear is allowed if one feels the need to express themselves I guess that because you are so regimented into the black and white, right or wrong of this forum, this kind of outburst is prohibited.
                      It's called confirmation bias. You see what you're looking for, and it reinforces in your mind that it is ubiquitous, while not seeing what you are not interested in skews the reality you are perceiving.

                      This is not a paleo site. If you want to blame people here for what you've read on other sites, that's your issue.

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                      • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                        It's called confirmation bias. You see what you're looking for, and it reinforces in your mind that it is ubiquitous, while not seeing what you are not interested in skews the reality you are perceiving.

                        This is not a paleo site. If you want to blame people here for what you've read on other sites, that's your issue.
                        But this is a "community" remember. We are all led to believe that all of this information stems from the evolution of man millions of years ago. How can you say this is not a Paleo site? I see you are in the same box as Paleobird. Advocating some carbs makes one a "outlier". - I thought that wasn't a Paleo site?

                        Besides, I've only recently started to write on this forum after not doing very well for 2 years of "Paleo" where all of the underlying principles are the same. It's not hard to remember the basic principles of the way of eating. No: Grains, legumes, dairy, bad fats and processed sugar.
                        Last edited by Nstocks; 05-23-2013, 02:04 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Nstocks View Post
                          But this is a "community" remember. We are all led to believe that all of this information stems from the evolution of man millions of years ago. How can you say this is not a Paleo site? I see you are in the same box as Paleobird. Advocating some carbs makes one a "outlier". - I thought that wasn't a Paleo site?
                          Clearly it makes you feel better to pretend that this is a "Paleo" site, and there is one and only one true "Paleo", and "Primal" is an evil pretender. So be it.

                          But please, don't lie to me. I said ChocoTaco is an "outlier", yup. It is nothing but a lie to say that he advocates "some carbs". He advocates a diet of essentially no fat and hundreds of grams of carbs. For everybody, regardless of how they respond. Absolutely everybody.

                          Besides, I've only recently started to write on this forum after not doing very well for 2 years of "Paleo" where all of the underlying principles are the same. It's not hard to remember the basic principles of the way of eating. No: Grains, legumes, dairy, bad fats and processed sugar.
                          Your way of eating may be a flavor of "paleo" where all dairy is EVIL. Clearly you believe that your way of eating is the One True Paleo. Clearly you have some reason for misrepresenting the basic principles of this site. Or perhaps your confirmation bias is so great that you have projected your own preferences on everyone here and found them wanting.

                          So be it. Good luck finding a site that is pure enough for you.

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                          • Haha, get over it. The vast majority or paleo/primal followers are at least a little bit neurotic and orthorexic, bordering on phobic of one thing or another. I know primal is your baby and you feel the need to defend it but dont pretend not to see the reality of what this diet cultivates in the average follower.

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                            • Odd that you of all people are claiming others here are neurotic and othorexic, Zach.

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                              • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                                Clearly it makes you feel better to pretend that this is a "Paleo" site, and there is one and only one true "Paleo", and "Primal" is an evil pretender. So be it.

                                But please, don't lie to me. I said ChocoTaco is an "outlier", yup. It is nothing but a lie to say that he advocates "some carbs". He advocates a diet of essentially no fat and hundreds of grams of carbs. For everybody, regardless of how they respond. Absolutely everybody.



                                Your way of eating may be a flavor of "paleo" where all dairy is EVIL. Clearly you believe that your way of eating is the One True Paleo. Clearly you have some reason for misrepresenting the basic principles of this site. Or perhaps your confirmation bias is so great that you have projected your own preferences on everyone here and found them wanting.

                                So be it. Good luck finding a site that is pure enough for you.
                                Where have I lied? Marksdailyapple.com... What is that now, a place to buy used car parts? What is this then, if it isn't a Paleo/Primal site? Real food site? Sure, but technically real food could be WAPF which includes grains and dairy.

                                My OLD way of Paleo probably was all dairy = evil. Thankfully I'm not narrow minded and can change to benefit myself. I would have never eaten the way I do now if somebody didn't have the guts to say that eating a lot of fruit is healthy. When I posted my original thread about Paleo troubles, first you suggested a water fast. Most others recommended to "Paleo harder", eat more fat, cut down the 50g of carbs I was eating from sweet potato. Now, tell me that this isn't a strict idealistic forum for the like minded people of yourself.

                                I don't need another site, I've managed to get a lot of my issues sorted here. I still believe in real food for most of the diet (Don't worry, Mark says 80/20 is ok and sustainable). As far as projecting my own preferences go, I do exactly what everyone else does on here: Tell people my experience.

                                Again, most of this is based on the basic Paleo principles. The fundamental underlying diet choices as a widespread propaganda for any human being whom wants to try to better their health and is coming trying to get over pretty much any ailment.
                                Last edited by Nstocks; 05-23-2013, 02:55 PM.

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