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  • #76
    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    Stone might have some great ideas but he can't write for toffee. IDK. When reading one of his articles I keep thinking, "What was this guy's point again?" I guess that makes it easy to read into his articles whatever message one would like to hear, kind of like reading your horoscope, vague enough that it can fit most any notion you bring to it.
    Maybe it's a generational thing. I come from a family of academics and write for a living, yet I understand him just fine. His sentence structure isn't perfect, but he writes like one would talk: colloquially, and sarcastically.

    I don't think it's fair to infer that people who like his work are projecting a meaning onto it. For one thing, you haven't read his work. If you scroll through his list of articles you'll see themes emerging: the main one being "Don't diet". He's even got a book called "Diet Recovery: Restoring Hormonal Health, Metabolism, Mood, and Your Relationship with Food". Is that ambiguous?
    Last edited by YogaBare; 05-22-2013, 07:35 AM.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Grumpycakes View Post
      [...] I'm not sure where I'm going with this except to prescribe a healthy dose of Fuckitol.
      best advice ever!

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Zach View Post
        Kevin,

        Your post was completely full of inaccuracies which leads me to believe that you have read very little of Matt Stones work.
        Thank you for your post. That was a long post of his and if it was full of inaccuracies as claimed I was hoping you would point out three. This is important because this forum seems to be full of people that post "facts" like you've said above and FAR LESS of people that post like the doctor or pklopp for example. I'm not defending the doctor per se I've never been to a Chiro and likely wont anytime soon but I don't go to medical doctors either so that isn't saying much!
        I'm not singling you out Zach I just really can't take Unsubstantiated claims like yours and you are in no way the only mass perpetrator of such things!

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        • #79
          Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
          Maybe it's a generational thing. I come from a family of academics and write for a living, yet I understand him just fine. His sentence structure isn't perfect, but he writes like one would talk: colloquially, and sarcastically.

          I don't think it's fair to infer that people who like his work are projecting a meaning onto it. For one thing, you haven't read his work. If you scroll through his list of articles you'll see themes emerging: the main one being "Don't diet". He's even got a book called "Diet Recovery: Restoring Hormonal Health, Metabolism, Mood, and Your Relationship with Food". Is that ambiguous?
          I didn't say he was ambiguous, I said he rambled and didn't write well. Perhaps it is generational. To me he comes across as a petulant kid saying, "I ate pizza and soda. Neener, neener, neener!" Yeah? So, what?

          I really can see that, particularly from the pov of someone with a history of extreme dieting, EDs, weight swings, emotional eating, etc. there is merit in what Grumpycakes calls a healthy dose of Fuckitol. Someone to say, "Hey folks, lets's all just relax and eat."

          Terrific. But that message is not something that I feel a need for. If I'm going to spend my time reading a blog I want to get some scientifically founded info from it, not just some guy's opinions. But if reading his opinions is helpful to someone else, cool.

          It's all in what you're looking for.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by jackaaron View Post
            Thank you for your post. That was a long post of his and if it was full of inaccuracies as claimed I was hoping you would point out three. This is important because this forum seems to be full of people that post "facts" like you've said above and FAR LESS of people that post like the doctor or pklopp for example. I'm not defending the doctor per se I've never been to a Chiro and likely wont anytime soon but I don't go to medical doctors either so that isn't saying much!
            I'm not singling you out Zach I just really can't take Unsubstantiated claims like yours and you are in no way the only mass perpetrator of such things!
            His entire post was unsubstantiated claims and distorted opinions. Im guessing you have read nothing from Matt Stone as well so me telling you what is inaccurate is an exercise in futility.

            Also PB is just upset that Matt called out Angry Dick on his hypo and was right.

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            • #81
              Matt Stone could write every entry and book in ebonics and still make more sense on a nutritional level than most diet "gurus" out there now.

              That said, I happen to appreciate his satire. It's a breath of fresh air, and he's a pretty funny guy.
              Make America Great Again

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                PB is just upset that Matt called out Angry Dick on his hypo and was right.
                I have absolutely no idea what or who you are talking about.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Zach View Post
                  His entire post was unsubstantiated claims and distorted opinions. Im guessing you have read nothing from Matt Stone as well so me telling you what is inaccurate is an exercise in futility.

                  Also PB is just upset that Matt called out Angry Dick on his hypo and was right.
                  But, even if his is full of unsubstantiated claims and distorted opinions, he has many statements that I can debate, and verify for accuracy. You've simply said, "Your post was completely full of inaccuracies which leads me to believe that you have read very little of Matt Stones work."

                  None of that is debatable, nor verifiable. Only YOU know what you think is inaccurate, and I cannot verify the validity of your statement because you have not addressed it.

                  So, could you just name 3? I would think this would be pretty simple.

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                  • #84
                    His entire post is incorrect. From Matts thoughts on insulin resistance to whole grains to carb content to his supposed ignorance of hypothyroid, hashimotos and diagnosis.

                    I dont exactly know why you need me to point these out. I have read pretty much everything Matt has written, you have read nothing (correct me if im wrong) and the man making the criticisms has supposedly read two ebooks out of 5+ and hundreds of blog posts. Whats the point of me arguing my side when the other side knows nothing on the topic?

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Zach View Post
                      His entire post is incorrect. From Matts thoughts on insulin resistance to whole grains to carb content to his supposed ignorance of hypothyroid, hashimotos and diagnosis.

                      I dont exactly know why you need me to point these out. I have read pretty much everything Matt has written, you have read nothing (correct me if im wrong) and the man making the criticisms has supposedly read two ebooks out of 5+ and hundreds of blog posts. Whats the point of me arguing my side when the other side knows nothing on the topic?
                      Excellent question, IMO.

                      The reason is because a forum literally learns nothing when people say things like, "All you've said is wrong." "All you think is wrong."

                      Okay. If it's wrong, HOW is it wrong? That's all.

                      I probably seem as if I'm singling you out, and for that I apologize.

                      I am just so excited about this forum (as a whole), but there is so much room for improvement. ESPECIALLY for myself!

                      So, if I read you right, you think the Chiro Doc is wrong about the following:
                      Matts thoughts on insulin resistance
                      Whole grains
                      Carb content
                      Hypothyroid, hashimotos and diagnosis

                      Of course, you haven't said why, but whatever. At least we're getting somewhere!

                      The why is important since the Chiro Doc would be, "Okay, I'm wrong about Carbs...how am I wrong?"

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                      • #86
                        Edit: I haven't answered one of your questions....

                        Absolutely not on reading Matt Stone, Ray Peat, or anyone that you've recommended thus far. Well, that's not true...I've read them, and I've stopped. Not because they go against my thinking, are you kidding me! I would LOVE to follow YOUR advice on your sugar journal, and a LOT of your other advice. I would literally love to. And, I say YOUR advice because you are OBVIOUSLY influenced by these people.

                        But, I can't follow your advice, nor theirs because they (and you) write based MORE SO on emotion and "I'm going to motivate you" and less on a Spock (from Star Trek) sense of just the facts. I see you throw in facts here and there, but it's mostly a "take my word for it" from you (and them). And, when it comes to changing your nutrition, I think you need logic, science, and facts so you can research them yourself, and come to your own conclusion.

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                        • #87
                          This collective dick-measuring about who is right and who isn't is tiring. Both sides need to chill, and take a healthy dose of Fuckitol as Grumpy states. Why? One day, we're all going to die. And when we're on our deathbeds, I'm sure we'll be wondering why we spent hours on the internet wracking our brains over what to eat, how often, are carbs teh devil?!?!!?, is this a toxin?!?! etc.

                          All I know is, I've taken Matt's advice eating very easy to digest carbs, sugar, dairy and eggs, and I'm feeling better and actually having regular BM for the first time...in...uh...ever? While I appreciate the basic tenants of paleo, the community and the 'lifestyle' or Way of Eating has really turned into a cult with people turning into hypochondriac, orthorexic snobs who cannot take a lick of criticism or even think they might be other ways for people to live and eat healthfully.

                          Obsessing and endless researching on the net, buying every single fucking supplement that the current primal/paleo guru recommends is not the way to do it.

                          Relax. Sleep. Play. Go meditate for 20 minutes. That will do you a world of good rather than the insane craziness I see on the web.
                          Last edited by patski; 05-23-2013, 07:21 AM.
                          A Post-Primal PrimalPat

                          Do not allow yourself to become wrapped up in a food 'lifestyle'. That is ego, and you are not that.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by patski View Post
                            This collective dick-measuring about who is right and who isn't is tiring. Both sides need to chill, and take a healthy dose of Fuckitol as Grumpy states.

                            All I know is, I've taken Matt's advice eating very easy to digest carbs, sugar, dairy and eggs, and I'm feeling better and actually having regular BM for the first time...in...uh...ever? While I appreciate the basic tenants of paleo, the community and the 'lifestyle' or Way of Eating has really turned into a cult with people turning into hypochondriac, orthorexic snobs who cannot take a lick of criticism or even think they might be other ways for people to live and eat healthfully.

                            Obsessing and endless researching on the net, buying every single fucking supplement that the current primal/paleo guru recommends is not the way to do it.

                            Relax. Sleep. Play. Go meditate for 20 minutes. That will do you a world of good rather than the insane craziness I see on the web.
                            I disagree. I won't say why, or about what.

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                            • #89
                              Cool story, bro.
                              A Post-Primal PrimalPat

                              Do not allow yourself to become wrapped up in a food 'lifestyle'. That is ego, and you are not that.

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                              • #90
                                Sorry, jack. I honestly dont care at all to go through hours of Matt Stones writing just to point out why some random persons opinion of him is wrong. I also dont care to back up everything i say with "facts" because again, i dont care if you or any others believe me or decide to eat a certain way based on my recomendations. Facts will get you nowhere fast in the end because most facts are actually just theorys or opinions disguised as facts. Go ahead and take Mark Sissons word on the carb curve if you like but i would certainly never call it a fact even though asserts it as so. At the end of the day i deal in real life experiences and common sense.

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