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  • The China Study

    The Primal Blueprint calls for lots of consuming of meat. This makes sense from the stand point of losing weight.
    But there is a dark side: the acceleration of growth of cancer tumors.
    This is the big idea in the seminal research project on diet and disease published under the name "The China Study".
    ::: THE CHINA STUDY :::
    The science behind it is of the highest level: a vast research project spanning 20 years, funded by the US government, FDA, and academic grants, vetted by the best universities (performed at Cornell).
    The author compares the diets of Americans and their resulting diseases with the diets of the Chinese and their resulting diseases.
    In short, the big discovery is that the proteins in meat accelerate the growth of cancer tumor cells. The instances of colon cancer and other types of cancers were much higher in the west than in China. At the time of the study (the 1970s and 80s), the Chinese diet was mostly vegetarian, due to economic restrictions.
    To illustrate the point vividly, in one experiment, a group of rats were given an equal dose of dioxin, one of the most potent carcinogens known. Then the group was split in two, and one group given a high protein diet (around 20%, which is typical of Western diet) and the other group was given a low protein diet (less than 5%). The result was striking: all of the rats in the group with high protein diet developed liver tumors, and none of the low protein group developed tumors. He details this experiment in his paper, if you'd like to see the details. The conclusion: high protein diet acts as a switch, accelerating the growth of tumor cells. The worst culprit turned out to be red meat and dairy, which were highest in the kinds of proteins which fed tumors. Proteins from fish and poultry were not so bad, and protein from vegetables were mostly harmless, with regard to feeding particular kinds of tumors.
    There is a well documented linkage between red meat consumption and colon cancer.

    Just wondering if those who promote the consumption of lots of meat were aware of this study, and if they had an opinion about it.


    Thomas

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    The China Study: Fact or Fallacy? Raw Food SOS
    Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

    http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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    • #3
      THAT'S your one and only post???

      Try doing a search here.

      China Study? Seriously...
      Durp.

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      • #4
        pretty much everybody here has learned of the china study

        it's very important work and we, as vegans, support it whole heartedly
        beautiful
        yeah you are

        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
        lol

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        • #5
          What is so weird is that it's been debunked since forever. I remember first learning about it and reading the criticisms of it back in 1999-2000 (when I was vegan no less).

          I don't get why this is so exciting to people still. LOL

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          • #6
            shhhh coolbird, we're vegans here
            beautiful
            yeah you are

            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
            lol

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            • #7
              I know. You would think it would be old news, but I'm on an email list for a diet forum from back years ago, and they sent me one Thursday about an article. It brought up the "red meat is bad for you" study again. Seriously. To make matters worse, someone brought up the China Study like it was words straight from God.

              I know I should just unsubscribe from the emails, but it's like a train wreck. You have to look. And then I can't just walk away.
              Durp.

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              • #8
                my first time posting. yeah. didn't think to search, and indeed there is a fair amount on this topic. oops.
                for the record, I'm not a vegan. just interested in facts. there are a lot of interesting ideas in the blueprint, but this does appear to be the achilles heel.
                there is no right or wrong here, just the truth, which is difficult to come by. the scientific experiments speak most clearly.
                the Minger article is a good read. she's clearly smart. but her arguments unfortunately do not debunk the results of research and clinical studies showing the correlation between red meat and cancer.
                correlation, yes, this is not math or physics and direct causality is nearly impossible to prove. still the China Study is actually good science. I'd love to see a clear, scientific debunk. please, show me.

                unfortunately, this is clearly a political football, and there's no point in fighting over personal beliefs. but beliefs can prevent you from discovering the truth.
                ok. backing out slowly.....

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                • #9
                  there is plenty of debunking, just google

                  it isn't just blind rejection, promise
                  beautiful
                  yeah you are

                  Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                  lol

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                  • #10
                    I have to say, this forum probably has some of the most intelligent (and questioning) people on the internet. If there was anything to the China Study, they would have been all over it already.

                    There may be a few here that accept whatever is handed to them, but the vast majority want their facts backed up with even more facts, with a side order of good data.

                    The China Study is crap.
                    Durp.

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                    • #11
                      Minger's article didn't even exist back in 2000, so I can assure you that there are plenty of scientific, intelligent criticisms that exist out there. Google is your friend.

                      The primary criticisms is that the survey isn't properly conducted.

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                      • #12
                        "The Primal Blueprint calls for lots of consuming of meat."

                        No, it doesn't. Some people do choose to do that, some choose to eat what they need.
                        Lost the weight using CW. Now I just want to be healthier.
                        Lisa's primal-ish when she feels like it journal.
                        Feel free to read and/or comment, but don't expect me to listen.
                        Distance walked 2012: 321 kms as of June 15.

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                        • #13
                          first let me say that I have no personal inclination for or against meat. I love the taste, and love that it doesn't make you fat. And I find righteous vegans as annoying as any righteous person.
                          and I admire the teachings of primal blueprint. I resonate with a lot of it. I don't mean to mis characterize it by saying what it calls for. it speaks for itself.
                          But this cancer thing is worrisome to anyone who looks at it objectively. Just following the data on google reveals articles like this
                          BBC News - Red meat: What is a 13% increase in the risk of death?

                          Meat and Colon Cancer - Does Meat Cause Colon Cancer

                          the takeaway from this one is the while, yes, red meat does correlate to cancer, the more raw the better, and there are other ways to mitigate its carcinogenic properties, which mostly amount to adding spices and cancer fighting vegetables.

                          I haven't yet found anything from a serious peer reviewed journal on the healing powers of meat.

                          Anyway, taking apart his sampling methods does not discredit the lab science showing that protiens in meat and dairy accelerate the growth of tumors.
                          The Minger article just isn't that convincing, scientifically speaking. Is she even a scientist?
                          All I can find are rebuttals to the China Study by non scientists, and no scientific studies on the cancer preventing qualities of red meat.
                          emotional discrediting just isn't good enough. where is the beef? the real science that proves that meat does not contribute to cancer?
                          where is the book on the healing qualities of red meat?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                            Minger's article didn't even exist back in 2000, so I can assure you that there are plenty of scientific, intelligent criticisms that exist out there. Google is your friend.

                            The primary criticisms is that the survey isn't properly conducted.
                            this.
                            If you have a problem with what you read: 1. Get a dictionary 2. Don't read it 3. Grow up 4. After 3, go back to 1/ or 2. -- Dennis Blue. | "I don't care about your opinion, only your analysis"- Professor Calabrese. | "Life is more important than _______" - Drew | I eat animals that eat vegetables -- Matt Millen, former NFL Linebacker. | "This country is built on sugar & shit that comes in a box marinated in gluten - abc123

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Diatom2012 View Post
                              The Primal Blueprint calls for lots of consuming of meat. This makes sense from the stand point of losing weight.
                              But there is a dark side: the acceleration of growth of cancer tumors.

                              Just wondering if those who promote the consumption of lots of meat were aware of this study, and if they had an opinion about it.


                              Thomas
                              here is a link with a lot of responses discrediting the "China Study"


                              (Cows eat grass so I don't have to...pass the ribs please)
                              Primal/Paleo is not for everyone, it's for those who have committed to understand.
                              READ THE BOOK! ...as Robb Wolf says: "Trying to convince people to save their own ass will burn you out."

                              Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for -- the pure enjoyment of food. Anthony Bourdain

                              and yes, calories DO count my little piggies

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