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    Children as young as five are being referred for treatment for depression and anxiety, the BBC has found.

    Figures showed mental health teams in Sussex are working with more than 1,000 under-18s while in the Solent 324 young people were referred for therapy. ...
    BBC News - Five-year-olds treated for depression and anxiety

    To be sure we have difficult social situations. And, what's not mentioned here, large factors such as the collapse of religious belief (I'm not making a religious point here -- I'm not a religious person -- but a sociological one) and almost a de-culturation of people.

    However, psychological and sociological explanations are one thing. One question that is not even raised in the article is: "What are these children eating?"

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    At that point, it's not just what were the children eating, it's what were the mothers eating while pregnant? It always disheartens me to see children, especially young children, on medications. Considering the brain continues to develop into adulthood, and the brains of 5 and 6 year olds are barely developed, medications severly alter the course of development. Essentially, if you give prescriptions to a 5 or 6 year old for any length of time beyond a few days, the likelihood they'll have to be treated for such things well into their adult life increases dramatically.

    CW for food, and CW for emotions/psychology need to change dramatically to see any improvement. Popping pills does not make the problem go away. It stunts your growth.

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    • #3
      The Medicated Child | FRONTLINE | PBS

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      • #4
        I was just thinking, we've only been eating altered, unnatural food for a few generations, so maybe this is the long term effects starting to appear after 3 generations of bad eating. I definitely think food is the main culprit, as well as things like vitamin D deficiency.

        It's all very depressing, and I'm so glad I found this way of life while my daughter was still a baby.

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        • #5
          wow. how terrible

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            WTH??

            Having developed a deep-seated fear of leaving his mother he has been seeing child behaviour experts since he was 18 months old.

            "The anxieties, I think started probably very soon after he was born," said child psychologist Jo Russell.
            WHAT?? they're surprised that an 18 month old had anxiety about leaving his mother?? am i missing something here?

            Child psychologist Jo Russell said difficulties within the family can cause stress in children
            no shit.
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            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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            • #7
              Originally posted by vtphoenix View Post
              At that point, it's not just what were the children eating, it's what were the mothers eating while pregnant?
              Yes, maybe that, too.

              I suppose another aspect is the way doctors see the patient's problems. So currently they see a child as "depressed" and hence:

              Prescriptions for Fluoxetine, more commonly known as Prozac, have risen 26% in Oxfordshire and 13% in Berkshire from April to September last year.
              But I learnt something pretty horrifying from Sean Croxton's podcast today. He was interviewing a professor of psychiatry, who said that doctors used to characterize people as "anxious". Now apparently about the time the patents on anti-anxiety medications began to run out, the pharmaceutical companies switched to selling patented anti-depressants and managed to convince doctors that patients were, in fact, "depressed". (And, in fact, as the patents on anti-depressants run out, doctors are now being conned into "seeing" bipolar disorder instead.) This professor says that doctors are the most intensively advertised at people in the world -- the ad budgets of pharmaceutical companies dwarf what's spent by someone like Apple on advertising something like the iPhone and Apple's ads are aimed at millions of people, not a subset of the population. However, doctors believe themselves to be wise and rational and scientific and simply don't understand that they're being manipulated. Here's the link. (But I must start a new thread on this podcast it's so astonishingly informative even by Sean's normal high standards.)

              Pharmageddon How Big Pharma Hijacked Healthcare 05/30 by Underground Wellness | Blog Talk Radio

              The situation would seem to be that SSRIs are not going to help these children. SSRIs are a marketing exercise with almost no real science behind them. In fact, there's a darn good chance they'll harm the kids. But in any case, are the children "depressed" or "anxious" or should they be characterized in some other way? Are they disturbed because of difficult social situations? (In some cases, doubtless -- the BBC throws in the story of the child lowering the toy out of the window.) Is their brain chemistry disrupted by bad diets or environmental pollutants?

              But whatever the nature of their disturbance and whatever its cause or causes, SSRIs are not going to help, and maybe that's the real story here ...

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              • #8
                This is going to be a straightforward matter of feeding growing children 0 fat milk, lot fat and low protein in general, and no animal fats at all.

                I am not going to read the article because the BBC are a pack of liars and if you start paying attention to things they produce it curdles your mind.

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                • #9
                  ^Interesting that you say that, considering how awful American media is (like Fox News). BBC comes across as a godsend for us.
                  Depression Lies

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                  • #10
                    Well, i'ts not. It is the British Government's broadcasting arm (owned outright and board of directors are political appointments). It is a giant squid squeezing out all independent media (they dominate radio and local radio too), as well as running websites, and they never tire of pumping out disgusting biased propaganda.

                    They just need closing down outright. They've got their special tax they get to collect themselves, on TV sets. Around about the $200 equivalent a year mark, the last time I looked (which is not very frigging often). Then if you don't pay it them send their employees round to try to trick their way into your house (even thought they have no legal right to do that) to see if you own a TV and send you threatening letters every two weeks threatening jail, prosecution etc. They are real scum and have poisoned what used to be a free country. They have also been maintaining a fifty year hoax of "Detector Vans", which are supposed to be able to detect TV sets using Van Eck phreaking, but no one has ever seen one even though they freely advertise "TV detector vans are working in your areas. Six houses in this street are unlicensed".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lewis View Post
                      ... But in any case, are the children "depressed" or "anxious" or should they be characterized in some other way? Are they disturbed because of difficult social situations? (In some cases, doubtless -- the BBC throws in the story of the child lowering the toy out of the window.)
                      the only thing disturbing about that anecdote was an adult allowing a "disturbed" child near a drop off like that. the kid's behavior seems experimental and playful rather than disturbed, based off of the information we have. in fact, i didn't see any evidence that kids are any more disturbed. maybe i missed something, but it seemed like kids were having issues and adults and doctors were quick to jump on labels and drugs instead of looking in the home to see if some changes in dynamics would "fix" whatever problems the kids were experiencing.
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                      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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                      • #12
                        All kids are gonna have issues - fact! As parents, we need to help them through them as best we can. Good food, lots of play time - outside if possible and lots of encouragement. I'm sure a few beers or glasses of wine will make them "feel" better too, but few of us would suggest that that's a great idea. Life can be tough - you can't fix everything with a pill. If we were all out looking for where our next meal was coming from (hunter gatherers), there would be little time to worry about the silly stuff we come up with these days. Our kids are the very lucky ones (even though we are evil for not buying them bread and cereal)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Saoirse View Post
                          ... in fact, i didn't see any evidence that kids are any more disturbed. maybe i missed something, but it seemed like kids were having issues and adults and doctors were quick to jump on labels and drugs instead of looking in the home to see if some changes in dynamics would "fix" whatever problems the kids were experiencing.
                          All that seems entirely possible.

                          In fact, I begin to wonder who fed the BBC the story.

                          Children as young as five are being referred for treatment for depression and anxiety, the BBC has found.
                          "Has found". I guess what that actually means is someone told them that, tipped them off. What was that someone's purpose? I hope the purpose wasn't to create the impression that children are "depressed", when as you say it may be more a case of their "having issues". I can certainly imagine pharmaceutical companies seeing children as a potential new market.

                          I guess most people start Paleo/Primal to lose weight or get more healthy. But look into it long enough and one thing one learns is not merely about this or that food to eat, which I guess is what people first opening a book on Paleo expect, but the extent to which we're all being manipulated all the time. That goes for food, cleaning products, and even prescription medicine.

                          It starts with adverts with tigers and "honey monsters" pushing sugar-laden 'breakfast cereal" at you before you can walk and goes on from there.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lewis View Post

                            "Has found". I guess what that actually means is someone told them that, tipped them off. What was that someone's purpose? I hope the purpose wasn't to create the impression that children are "depressed", when as you say it may be more a case of their "having issues". I can certainly imagine pharmaceutical companies seeing children as a potential new market.
                            "having issues" could be anything from stress in the family, inappropriate parenting or standards, even unaddressed abuse. it's irresponsible if psychiatrists are dosing kids up with drugs instead of finding workable family solutions. if there's truly a problem with the child, the entire family should be in therapy together long before any mention of drugs comes in to the picture.
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                            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...Primal-Journal

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