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    'The Sydney University nutritionist Jennie Brand-Miller holds out a tempting message for sweet tooths and companies such as Coca-Cola: sugar is not to blame for obesity in Australia.
    The Australian Paradox is the title of a scientific paper Professor Brand-Miller and the Australian Diabetes Council research adviser Alan Barclay have written. It seeks to show that while obesity rates continue to swell, refined sugar consumption has fallen in recent years.
    Although mainstream nutrition specialists have distanced themselves from the finding, the food industry, and Coca-Cola, have seized on the study to oppose tougher advice against sugar in the nation's diet bible.'


    Research causes stir over sugar's role in obesity

    '''This is not about commercial interests,'' Professor Brand-Miller says. ''This is about a considered, expert opinion based on being a nutritionist for 35 years and having a sincere belief that sugar in moderation contributes to a safe and healthy diet.''



    Opinions?
    Last edited by Meatgrrrl; 03-30-2012, 04:55 PM.

  • #2
    Moderation? by drinking coke? what idiots! (I'd love to know who funded the study!

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    • #3
      "In response, Professor Brand-Miller says Mr Robertson is not a nutritionist and does not understand nutrition."

      Checkmate!

      What exactly is meant by "refined sugar"? If they just mean white sugar while leaving out HFCS and other sweeteners well...then...that's a problem with the study.

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      • #4
        These two seem to be intent on telling the world, loudly, just how silly they are. They seem to like to see their names in the news... maybe it draws in more money for their research. Anyway, I suspect this earlier story put their noses out of joint a bit...
        Lost the weight using CW. Now I just want to be healthier.
        Lisa's primal-ish when she feels like it journal.
        Feel free to read and/or comment, but don't expect me to listen.
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        • #5
          Ummmm...she is just friggin splitting hairs! She blames refined starches- which equates with what? SUGAR!

          #%*~. IDIOTS!

          I did not seen disclaimer about conflict of interest in her article either....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Meatgrrrl View Post

            '''This is not about commercial interests,'' Professor Brand-Miller says. ''This is about a considered, expert opinion based on being a nutritionist for 35 years and having a sincere belief that sugar in moderation contributes to a safe and healthy diet.''

            Opinions?
            Opinons? Here's one: what has science to do with "sincere beliefs"?

            Actually that "sincere belief" is a tacit admission that she's making it up.

            She also offers absolutely no evidence for her assertion that "commercial interests" are not a problem in food production, distribution, and supply. Wow! that's a big one.

            I mean I can say what I like about anything

            The tidal wave was unrelated to weather conditions ...

            Human history has been shaped by periodic visitations by space aliens ...

            Despite popular belief, Franz Schubert did not have venereal disease ...


            and so on ...


            However, personally, I do like to cite some kind of evidence for assertions I make. (Or, alternatively, offer some kind of argument for consideration, if the matter is philosophical rather than scientific or sociological, since there you're dealing with necessary truths, what must either be so or not.) But perhaps "nutritionists" are exempt from that need to back up what they say.

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            • #7
              The worst thing is that some people will believe it enough to continue eating the stuff.
              Original Goal: To lose weight. Achieved in March 2010
              Long Term Goals: To continue using Primal guidlines to improve fitness and health. To share the Primal message.

              The key to successful aging is to pay as little attention to it as possible - Judith Regan

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              • #8
                Brand-Miller takes about a million dollars a year from Kellog. Science for sale
                Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                • #9
                  There is no such thing as a paradox in science. If anything appears to be a paradox, then it means either
                  A.) Your research was conducted incorrectly.
                  or
                  B.) Your conclusions are wrong based on the evidence.

                  So, if someone sites a "scientific study" that includes a paradox, it's not true science.
                  People too weak to follow their own dreams will always try to discourage others.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by peril View Post
                    Brand-Miller takes about a million dollars a year from Kellog. Science for sale
                    Wow, is that all?

                    Originally posted by IcarianVX View Post
                    There is no such thing as a paradox in science. If anything appears to be a paradox, then it means either
                    A.) Your research was conducted incorrectly.
                    or
                    B.) Your conclusions are wrong based on the evidence.

                    So, if someone sites a "scientific study" that includes a paradox, it's not true science.
                    Excellent. I love this. Totally totally right.

                    FWIW, I could conduct a better paper entitled 'When I go out, I look at what people eat in Australia'... which would basically be waaaay too many carbs. I only have to drive by my local McDonalds in the morning to see people stuffing pancakes and maple syrup or those breakfast bun things down their necks to know that Aussies are eating waaaay too much crap.

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                    • #11
                      A bit more digging. Brand-Miller popularised the concept of Glycaemic Index and makes a fortune out of selling the low GI mark in Australia. So she has a commercial interest. She is also a zealot:

                      Talking Heads - Jennie Brand-Miller

                      So this paper is no surprise. Full of confirmation bias
                      Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                      Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                      • #12
                        "Professor Brand-Miller told the Herald the emphasis on sugar in diets was ''overblown'' and not enough attention was given to the role of refined starches in obesity."

                        She has a point. Especially all the refined carb junk food, which are mostly cooked in sunflower oil. Although it's kind of irresponsible to downplay the role of soft drinks which are like poison for the sedentary.

                        Originally posted by Roach View Post

                        What exactly is meant by "refined sugar"? If they just mean white sugar while leaving out HFCS and other sweeteners well...then...that's a problem with the study.
                        HFCS isn't really used in Australia. Refined sugar refers to cane sugar.

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                        • #13
                          '''This is not about commercial interests,'' Professor Brand-Miller says.
                          More on commercial interests and the food supply --

                          Dr. Jay Wortman has just posted a new blog entry:

                          it struck me that he[an economist] is describing a situation very similar to what we see in the nutritional science and agri-food sector. The way that the influence of monied industry interests has distorted the process in their favour at the expense of the general public is eerily similar in both cases, IMHO. We go on clinging to an obviously discredited paradigm in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary while chronic disease rates rise and health status goes into decline. Why?

                          I shall be blogging more on this topic soon.
                          Dr. Jay's Blog: Jay Wortman, M.D. on the science & clinical experience related to low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diets & traditional First Nations style diets

                          My advice to Australians, were they to ask me (which is admitted unlikely), would be to read what Professor Brand-Miller says by all means, but to also to take a look at Dr. Wortman's forthcoming series. Also, I think people could usefully be aware of the issues raised by people like Eric Schlosser and Joel Salatin. It's a matter of getting informed and becoming aware of many different matters and how they appear to fit together -- and ultimately of people working things out for themselves and forming their own opinions. I think the days of Prof. So-and-so of Such-and-such a university saying "this is about ..." or "this is not about ..." and our taking that at face value are, or should be, gone.

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                          • #14
                            Refined sugar has fallen steadily in the States since the 70's. It has more than been replaced by HFCS!! We certainly are not as thin as we were in the 70's.

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                            • #15
                              i want to move there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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