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    Started going primal about 3 weeks ago! I feel great! I am a student athlete so I do eat a bit more carbs then the avg. primal goer. I eat about 8 eggs a day (omlets with alot of veggies are my fav!) Eat big ass salad everyday and eat meat almost every night (wish it was grass fed but i'm a poor college kid). I also eat a lot of nuts and a protein shake every day. Up until about a week ago I started getting canker sores.


    I have had a problem with canker sores my whole life. I was even hospitalized last year because they spread to the back of my throat and couldn't eat or drink for 3 days. The docs ran all there tests and everything came up normal. I have seen many specialists and nothing they have done has worked for me.


    Before I went primal i had about 3 canker sores in the past year (since i was hospitalized which was Jan 09.). I was eating CW foods. My body felt great the first couple weeks but lately my mouth has been so dry at night i have had to wake up and get water. And came the canker sores. One on the bottom lip and a couple on the tip of my tongue. These are SO painful.


    Any help would be great to try and figure this out! Thanks


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    Have you cut out all gluten-containing products? People who are gluten-intolerant often get canker sores. There is a lot of hidden gluten out there. What is in your protein shakes? Nuts are often contaminated with gluten as well.

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      Are you particularly stressed or exhausted? I've always struggled with canker sores, especially back in college. I still get them now when I don't get enough sleep or am overworked. It seems to me that it is something that attacks when my immune system is run down. Do you take vitamin D? That has done wonders for my immunity this year and I've not had any canker sores.


      By the way, I started getting them as a kid whenever I visited my grandma and drank pop and ate cookies nonstop, so sugar seems to play a crucial role as well. I still think it was just that sugar ran down my immune system, but you may check to see if anything you are regularly eating (maybe the protein shake?) has sugar in it.

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        Chad - I can sympathize. I used to get canker sores all the time and carried a bottle of Anbesol or numbing agent almost all the time experiencing a similar situation to you. I can't say exactly what turned it around, but a better combination of foods must have helped in the process.


        What I learned is this: I have a lysine deficiency, so I started taking that at each meal. What's odd is that if you are ingesting Primal amounts of protein, this should not be occurring. In addition, check the acidity level of your foods. Too much tomato, orange, etc. could also be contributing to this. Finally, as mentioned, is stress. That will really increase the occurrences.


        Monitor your stress levels, perhaps even journal it to help keep track. Look more at your food choices as well, perhaps more indepth, to ensure you're not sneaking something in. I'll be curious to see if any of this helps you or if you find another solution.

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          I get them due to stress. Canker sores and itchybumps on my right wrist (never anywhere else). Does your toothpaste of sodium laurate in it? That might be a contributing factor.


          Clove oil will help numb the pain.

          You can try using a cider vinegar and salt rinse a few times a day. Or an anti-bacterial mouthwash like Listerine.

          Baking soda or alum applied dierectly to the sore will burn like a mother for a few minutes but seems to cure them faster.

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            I don't get canker sores very often, but when I do it's after eating a lot of vegetable protein. When I was taking amino acids as supplements I had a lot of trouble with them. It's been awhile, but I think arginine was the worst, and lysine the counterbalance.


            Perhaps check and see if your protein shake has soy protein in it. Whey might work better for you.


            Lysine, take lots of lysine.


            Cooking with coconut oil might help. It's good to help deal with infections. If I remember the theory right, the bugs think that the good coconut oil should make nice little membranes around them to hide inside, but coconut oil is so readily metabolized that the body can eat the shells right off the bugs, leaving them naked and embarrassed -- or something to that effect.

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              First, "Proximity in time does not equal causation." It's human nature to equate two events, but please don't do so. When I started paleo/primal in the beginning of the summer, my left knee gave out on me big time for a long time. This was after a number of years w/o any significant problem, just the occasional "ka-boing." Did paleo/primal have something do to with it? It was tempting to think so, but I knew my protein levels were great and that the eliminated carbs have no constructive value.


              The months went by and it got better and better and today is back to no pain at all, ever. I expect the occasional "ka-boing" but that's a small price compared to almost dropping to the ground with that sudden bolt.


              Way back my local in-laws had a little bottle of carbolic acid. It had a solid glass dropper, and one drop of that stuff on a canker sore chemically cauterized it! Painful for the moment, but then fixed. As there were about four or five families in the group, the bottle would make the rounds. "Anyone know who has the carbolic acid?" was a common question.


              That was when I was in my early twenties. I seem to have outgrown them or something.

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                @piano_doctor_lady: I don't get canker sores often either, very rarely infact but I have about 2 now and I was wondering why. I've been having lentils almost everyday for the last week (er, I've fallen off the wagon a bit). Vegetable protein sounds like a plausible reason fro mine.

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                  I suffer from them too, often in the throat as well. As others noted L-Lysine may help. If the sore is easily accessible, applying styptic powder can help with the pain and help it heal faster.


                  At someone's suggestion here, I upped my fish oil consumption to 3 grams a day, and haven't had one in over a month. Going that long between sores is unusual for me, but not unheard of. Another month or two without, and I'll be a believer.


                  Also, what's your alcohol consumption like? I find that's the number one trigger for mine.

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                    Are you taking Vitamin D and a fish oil? Both help with the immune system and help with stress. Not like you're under stress being a student.


                    The sores can be an immune response to just about anything. It can be caused by your tooth paste (SLS is a common ingredient in the pastes, people with skin conditions react commonly to this product).


                    If I were you, I would start a food diary. Note what you eat along with your moods, eruptions of the sores and any other skin ailment that may be going on (where there is smoke....).


                    If you don't notice a pattern you can try an elimination diet.

                    SW: 235
                    CW:220
                    Rough start due to major carb WD.

                    MWF: 1 hour run/walk, 1.5 hours in the gym - upper/lower and core
                    Sat/Sun=Yard/house work, chasing kids, playing
                    Family walk every night instead of everyone vegging in front of the TV
                    Personal trainer to build muscle mass & to help meet goals

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                      Oh, and also a vitamin deficiency or due to poor diet, but if you're eating primal (tons of veggies and meat) that's not likely an issue.

                      SW: 235
                      CW:220
                      Rough start due to major carb WD.

                      MWF: 1 hour run/walk, 1.5 hours in the gym - upper/lower and core
                      Sat/Sun=Yard/house work, chasing kids, playing
                      Family walk every night instead of everyone vegging in front of the TV
                      Personal trainer to build muscle mass & to help meet goals

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                        Thanks for all the tips!! I have switched toothpaste about 5 years ago. I use Biotene which does not have SLS (i am pretty sure). I have never thought of my life as stressful...i am never overworked with homework and i love life. Also i play tennis for the college team so i have a break between school life. I have been eating alot of eggs lately...so maybe that is a problem. ibd...you mentioned nuts, i eat A LOT OF NUTS i need to get extra calories because i am so active, it would be hard for me to cut these out of my diet but i will give it a try! I used to take a vitamin D pill every morning but stopped about 3 months ago. I have never taken fish oil supplements, so maybe give that a try as well?


                        I used to take L-Lysyne like 10 years ago, and never saw any improvement. But I have some in the cupboard so maybe I will start with that too.


                        I have tried to eliminate adding salt to food so I will see how that works out. Also, I have been eating alot of clementines lately as well so I will stop with those.


                        I suppose I shall start a journal for these damn things (canker sores). I would like to know though if anyone has gotten them from eating more eggs??? I love eggs and there is NO WAY i would be able to give these up!


                        Thanks ALL!!

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                          Chad, I've been thinking over your questions about canker sores, and your using a lot of nuts to keep up your calorie intake.


                          I haven't thought of nuts as being a lysine/vegetable protein balance problem, but I suppose they might be if the amounts were large enough. Maybe it might be good to make yourself a little experiment to see which is doing what to you.


                          I have trouble figuring out what to eat when I need to just grab a bite and go (or am on the go already). I think that the real answer to this is to keep cold meat in the fridge -- chicken, roast, whatever -- which I can just carve, dump in a ziploc bag and out the door. Instead I tend toward a cheese habit, or I grab a wad of peanut butter. I don't think either of these are very good for me, except once in a long while.


                          Looking for alternatives, I wonder if you've explored the idea of making pemmican? Meat is dried and pounded, fat rendered, berries dried, then it's all mixed together. It was the Indians' travel food. If you have a good source of clean grassfed meat and fat, and can find some small berries (like little blueberries for instance), and don't have too many diabetes issues (you'd have to adjust the amount of berries in the mix) this might be an interesting way to go. Make up a big batch, it keeps very well, then grab a small container to take with you when you need calories and don't want to stop eating Primal.


                          If you try this for about two weeks, with no nuts, and then go back to the nuts and lay off the pemmican, you might have your answer as to whether (or NOT) nuts are making you too prone to canker sores. No sense laying off a particular favorite food if it isn't the problem.


                          Haven't made the stuff yet myself -- my sister swears by it, though.

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                            L-Arginine will trigger them! Check any and all supplements to make sure they do not contain added L-Arginine. Ditto the L-Lysine, proven to be as effective as prescription meds. When you feel one coming on you really have to take massive amounts of it.

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                              Thanks for the advice piano doctor. I will try and make some of that.


                              PMAC do normal primal foods have L-Arginine in them? What foods usually do?

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