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    "Longing for a past that never existed."


    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3904


    You can pretty well imagine the general tone. The comments section is gold, but the site's admins tend to ignore or deride contrary evidence while providing little of their own. Paleo diets are mentioned and basically glossed over.


    It's worth a read, and perhaps a comment or two.


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    I'm hesitant to use the world "evolution" when discussing primal, because it tends to get this reaction. People think we're idealizing a time in history that shouldn't be idealized. I try to convey that there are biological realities we often ignore in the SAD, and there's plenty of science to back up this kind of living in today's world. Falls of deaf ears often, I'm afraid.

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      I'm the Alex Knapp posting in the comments, and I think I may have made the author a bit testy what with my backing up my claims with the best available scientific research and all.


      Science Based Medicine is usually a great, no-BS site, which makes this post doubly disappointing.

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        That lady sounds like a proverbial hack not worthy of sticking an M.D. by her name. Likely one of those mail order degrees hanging framed on the wall of her one bedroom apt surrounded by her many cats.


        "Do you really think eating well will prevent you from getting ill???"


        UH DUH!! I facepalmed so hard when i read that, i thought i might of given myself a concussion. I read a few of the comments, Primal JAK you were cracking me up. Shes trying to argue with scientific FACTS on a science based medicine website. Shes trying to argue that a green wall is blue in front of a bunch of green experts. Remind me when i need an OB, never to step foot near that office!!

        Natural Selection: http://ichoosenaturalselection.wordpress.com

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          Bang up job, Alex! That post represents everything I hate about the so-called "science-based medicine" and "skeptics" community. Your measured response and continued referencing of peer-reviewed studies did the paleo crowd a service, and showed what it means to truly take a science- (and reality-) based approach to human health.


          I thoroughly enjoyed reading the exchange, and encourage everyone here to go check it out.

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            That was frustrating to read, but you did a great job. Personally, I credit modern medicine and sanitation for all of the improvements to the human lifespan.


            Also, we have definitely reached the point where overeating (on junk-type food) is more of a problem than under-eating. That might have something to do with it, as well. People are able to live longer than they would if they were starving, but suffer more from the "diseases of civilization" as a result.


            Whereas, as you said, we could have the best of both worlds if we emulate the traditional hunter-gatherer diet while taking advantage of modern food production and abundance, as well as modern medicine.

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              Classic Straw Man argument but with no real point of it's own. What a waste of band width haha!

              Don't be a paleotard...

              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

              http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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                ^ Yeah, I just finished reading the entire thing and it pretty much goes like this:


                1. Blogger makes claims, offers no evidence

                2. Commenters dispute claims, offer evidence to the contrary

                3. Blogger sets up straw men, declines to present evidence for original claims


                and so on and so forth.

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                  that particular woman is notorious for asserting without proof when it comes to birth issues (repeat c-sections vs VBAC, safety of c-sections and other interventions, use of licensed midwives vs. an OB etc.)


                  she pretty much has a highly medicalised view as being the only kind of 'science' view there is. if you want to have a low-risk birth without interventions in a birth center or at home, you are a dangerous, crazy woman trying to hurt her baby. if you want to control some chronic condition by changing elements of your diet, you are pining for a life as a noble savage and will die in a couple of years without expensive medical interventions.


                  she is not interested in people wanting to take care of their own health needs to the limits that they can while using the benefits of modern medicine as a back-up (or not at all, if their research for their individual situation suggests it won't confer benefits). she is very caught up in the cult of the expert as the only one with the knowledge and the power.

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                    Her critique, such as it is, can't be applied to Primal/Paleo living the way I practice it. She obviously has not read "The Primal Blueprint". It sounds like she's pretty comfortable with her limited CW based knowledge, and can stay there for all I care.

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                      Sorry, I couldn't read thoroughly. I get lost in my anger. I saw that you mentioned the height loss after agriculture, but did anyone mention that life expectancy dropped after the paleolithic period with the introduction of grains to the diet, and didn't recover until the early 20th century? That's where your medical boost comes in, can you imagine the synergy of the a paleolithic diet with modern medicine?


                      Someone invariably mentions that grains were found in the teeth of the remains from paleolithic, but it would seem to me that those grain would have to have been consumed close to death, so were probably eaten as a last resort during a famine that ultimately killed them. There you have evidence of what could be achieved with modern farming and paleolithic diet combinations.


                      I'll leave population arguments for another discussion.

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                        Dr. Amy is 100 % correct. Many diseases have nothing at all to do with your diet .


                        I guess it scares all of you to think that you have very little control of potential future diseases.


                        I have news for you. Coronary artery disease has always existed even in Paleolithic Man's time. What Grok ate was not necessarily the most healthful.

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                          DR. AMY COMPLETELY DESTROYS YOUR NATURALISTIC FALLACY.


                          PALEOMAN'S LIFE WAS HARD. IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE HEALTHIEST

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                            DR. AMY IS MY HERO.


                            SHE EXPOSES YOU CULTISTS FOR THE PSUEDOSCIENTIFIC QUACKS YOU ARE.


                            SHE WON........

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