Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Cholesterol - A Primer (Attempt 2)

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    1



    Fantastic post - thanks so much! I had no idea about the Iranian equation or the three ratios.


    Two comments...

    1. You translated atherosclerotic as "athero" (artery) "sclerotic" (hardening). According to Taber's medical dictionary, "athero" comes from the Greek for gruel or porridge, and the prefix now generally refers to fatty plaques. Porridge-filled arteries is a lovely image, isn't it?


    2. In reference our to our body repairing artery walls, you said "Normally, it will repair them with saturated fat and protein, which is what cell walls [membranes ;-) ] are made of, but if we're not eating those things, the body can't produce them out of thin air, so it sends cholesterol in as a stopgap measure." You seem to imply that we must get dietary SFAs and amino acids. But our livers and adipocytes are actually pretty good at making SFAs - that's how we store excess carbohydrates as fat.


    Thanks for a good primer - I'm definitely filing this away for future reference!

    Comment


    • #32
      1



      Follow up to the how to improve your HDL:

      I asked because I've gotten a friend around to doing PB for better than 6 months but he still hasn't been able to boost his HDL number. I don't know what his specific numbers are just that he was interested in knowing if there was anything he could do to get a better number, so, since we were talking about cholesterol anyways I figured I'd ask a general question and see what people said. Sorry I didn't give the backstory the first time around.

      Comment


      • #33
        1



        Ann - Vitamin D supplementation, regular exercise, and saturated fat intake usually increase HDL.

        Comment


        • #34
          1



          This is great information. I have one question though...


          "The Friedewald equation assumes that anything that isn't HDL or triglycerides is LDL. ...the "leftover" number in the equation gets attributed to LDL, and that's really misleading."


          If the leftover number isn't all LDL, what can it be attributed to?

          Comment


          • #35
            1



            Eric: There's other stuff in a lipid panel sample besides HDL, trigs, and LDL - for example, VLDL shows up there too. But they don't count that in their computations.

            Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

            Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


            Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

            My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

            Comment


            • #36
              1



              Thanks for this Griff, I feel much better informed now!


              My closest friend is a final year medical student, who is convinced that I am going to kill myself by eating huge amounts of saturated fat, some of it from drinking lots of cream. He has tried persuading me that I will develop atherosclerosis if I don't slow down on the cream soon (which I intend to as soon as I reach my weight goal, mostly to reduce lactose intake.)


              I've promised those around me that I will have a blood panel done in a few months, to reassure them that I'm still healthy despite my fat intake, and now I feel a bit more prepared for when that time comes.

              Apparently I suck at life, so I'm crowd-sourcing my decisions, and sharing what I learn.

              My fresh start in London

              Comment


              • #37
                1



                Need a little hand holding here. I'm new to PB, I've been on the program 2 month and have lost something close to 20 lbs. I'm still tweaking the eating and getting better all the time.

                I had a lipid panel done last week and got the numbers back. Not great but gives me more reason to do better.


                Cholesterol...270

                Trigs.............170

                HDL...............40

                LDL, Calculated.196


                I guess I need to sit down and take a hard look at what and how I eat.

                If anyone has any suggestions or if you need to slap me around I'm open.

                Comment


                • #38
                  1



                  @thekauz, I'd start with the basics: drinking around 2L of water per day and getting enough vitamin D, either from the sun or Sperti lamp.

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    1



                    Looks like you're eating too many starchy veggies and probably fruit. Trigs are caused by carbohydrates in the diet. Cut back on those and you should see an improvement in both trigs and LDL.

                    Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                    Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                    Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                    My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      1



                      This is fantastic, Griff. My sincere thanks.

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        1



                        My doctor told my father to take statins just wondering what your opinion is on his cholesterol profile.


                        Total cholesterol: 358

                        Triglycerides: 206

                        LDL: 272

                        HDL: 86


                        Total/HDL: 4.16

                        Trig/HDL: 2.39

                        LDL/HDL: 3.16


                        It seems to me his ratios are fine but something else is causing a rise in the total cholesterol. Any idea what this might be or if he should be worried about atherosclerosis?


                        Thank you.

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          How about this one guys?

                          Total: 267
                          TG: 63
                          HDL: 65
                          LDL: 189 (calc)
                          VLDL: 12.6 (calc)

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            Originally posted by fidelity View Post
                            My doctor told my father to take statins just wondering what your opinion is on his cholesterol profile.


                            Total cholesterol: 358

                            Triglycerides: 206

                            LDL: 272

                            HDL: 86


                            Total/HDL: 4.16

                            Trig/HDL: 2.39

                            LDL/HDL: 3.16


                            It seems to me his ratios are fine but something else is causing a rise in the total cholesterol. Any idea what this might be or if he should be worried about atherosclerosis?


                            Thank you.
                            Best thing for him to do is lower those triglycerides - and that means cutting his carbs down to the bone. The HDL is great, and he should have his LDL pattern checked to see if it's A or B. If it's A, he's fine. That means taking a VAP test.

                            Let us know how he's doing, OK?
                            Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                            Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                            Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                            My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              With those trigs, the LDL is definitely way higher than it should be and almost certainly mismeasured. Under the Iranian formula, it's only 160.

                              Regardless, the ratios are good either way:
                              With Calc LDL value:
                              Total/HDL = 4.1 where 4.4 is ideal for women and 5.0 is ideal for men
                              Trig/HDL = 1.0 where 2.0 is ideal and lower is better
                              LDL/HDL = 2.9 where 4.3 is ideal and lower is better

                              With Iranian LDL value:
                              Total/HDL = 4.1 where 4.4 is ideal for women and 5.0 is ideal for men
                              Trig/HDL = 1.0 where 2.0 is ideal and lower is better
                              LDL/HDL = 2.5 where 4.3 is ideal and lower is better

                              I'd say those are pretty good numbers!
                              Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                              Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                              Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                              My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Griff View Post
                                With those trigs, the LDL is definitely way higher than it should be and almost certainly mismeasured. Under the Iranian formula, it's only 160.

                                Regardless, the ratios are good either way:
                                With Calc LDL value:
                                Total/HDL = 4.1 where 4.4 is ideal for women and 5.0 is ideal for men
                                Trig/HDL = 1.0 where 2.0 is ideal and lower is better
                                LDL/HDL = 2.9 where 4.3 is ideal and lower is better

                                With Iranian LDL value:
                                Total/HDL = 4.1 where 4.4 is ideal for women and 5.0 is ideal for men
                                Trig/HDL = 1.0 where 2.0 is ideal and lower is better
                                LDL/HDL = 2.5 where 4.3 is ideal and lower is better

                                I'd say those are pretty good numbers!
                                You reply to my numbers here, right?

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X