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  • #16
    I did a little internet searching and statins have listed as side effects taste perversion,'d loss of taste, and loss of appetite. I would suggest she do a trial of no statins and see if things improve. The high blood pressure meds can affect taste as well, but she will need to consult with her doctor about alternative meds she could take to try and see if they are the problem. Since higher cholesterol may truly not be a problem I would think she could just try a trial of stopping the statin on her own without medical supervision. I would start there first.

    If none of the meds are causing this, I really would suggest a good cancer screening. Cancers in the digestive tract can change digestion and body chemistry in such a way as to affect taste as she describes. Sometimes taste and appetite changes are one of the first symptoms.

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    • #17
      ps if your mom has neuropathy, she should definitely NOT be on a statin period. Statins can cause neuropathy all by themselves.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Barb View Post
        ps if your mom has neuropathy, she should definitely NOT be on a statin period. Statins can cause neuropathy all by themselves.
        Oh, I absolutely agree. I've been telling her that for months now. Thank you so much for all of the help!
        Durp.

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        • #19
          Is she taking any vitamins? Calcium carbonate, for instance, can give a metallic taste, maybe other taste disturbances. Looking at that list the anti-inflammatory can increase intestinal permeability and prilosec, by lowering the acid in her stomach can cause bacterial overgrowth. Gerd, is believed by some to be caused by bacteria which is fed by carbs. I had really bad gerd before I realized I was gluten intolerant. I took a PPI as well as OTC meds before bed. When I went off gluten and lowered my carb/starch intake it all but disappeared. I still get the occasional flare up and will take a swig of something, but it's rare these days. Does she like yogurt or kefir? I drink a glass one or two times a day, which seems to help my stomach. Perhaps a good probiotic. Someone mentioned neuropathy. I have peripheral neuropathy when I eat corn, gluten or some starches. Pretty sure it can affect the mouth as well. As she's missing her gall bladder she's probably also deficient in fat soluble vitamins. Vitamin K springs to mind as a very important one to supplement, as it's responsible for bone density. Long term use of a PPI reduces bone density. Not necessarily related to the issue with her appetite, but I'd say pretty important. Will she drink smoothies? Whey is good for intestinal health and since texture shouldn't ought to be an issue you might be able to get some nutrients into her that way.
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          • #20
            Oh, here's an interesting post on the topic. More evidence to support the theory that GERD is caused by bacterial overgrowth
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            • #21
              Thanks, Blackcatbone! I would seriously love to have Chris Kresser's brain for just one day! And I had GERD too, back before I went Primal, though I had gotten it under control somewhat before with apple cider vinegar. Prilosec definitely made it worse.

              My mom does understand a little bit about H. pylori, so maybe that's a good avenue to try. I'll send that article to her along with the smoothie idea.

              Ever since having her gall bladder out (decades ago) my mom has been terrified of fat. Not that she was a fan of it before, but even more so since. Her whole diet is just a train wreck of doing what CW says is healthy, and it hurts to see where it has led her.

              I'm trying to just casually throw a study or two into casual conversation every once in a while. She knows I think her food and meds are making her even worse, so coming on strong will only make her even more resisitant. But I do think I'm making a little progress.
              Last edited by RitaRose; 01-02-2012, 07:08 PM.
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              • #22
                So far, I'm talking to her about:

                Ditching the statin (I can only hope)
                Ditching the Prilosec and get the GERD under control (which she is already considering)
                Checking her zinc levels
                Cancer screening (especially the digestive tract)
                Checking for calcium carbonate in her muti-vitamin

                I'll go back through all of your ideas and see if I missed anything, and if you think of anything else, let me know!
                Durp.

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                • #23
                  As far as the texture goes, I'm just thinking outside the box here, but could it be that if the taste is altered her perception of the texture is as well? I'm trying to imagine eating something I'm familiar with but without being able to taste it; I'm thinking it would be offputting to say the least. If I take a bite of pasta, for instance, and expect to taste pasta but it's off, the texture is going to make me gag. Just a thought.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ZenGopher View Post
                    As far as the texture goes, I'm just thinking outside the box here, but could it be that if the taste is altered her perception of the texture is as well? I'm trying to imagine eating something I'm familiar with but without being able to taste it; I'm thinking it would be offputting to say the least. If I take a bite of pasta, for instance, and expect to taste pasta but it's off, the texture is going to make me gag. Just a thought.
                    That's a good point. Maybe she's noticing texture she didn't before because the flavor was stronger or different. That could make the texture seem odd. Thanks!
                    Durp.

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                    • #25
                      Keep us posted on whatever develops - I would love to know if she decides to try stopping the statins if the taste problems clear up. It would be great if it were something so simple.

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                      • #26
                        I will keep you all updated. She called me today and said her mom (96) has been moved into the hospice now and we'll probably lose her in a matter of days. As much as I will miss Grandma, she led a long and interesting life, and her quick downhill slide may be motivating to my mom as far as making changes to keep her from the same fate years too soon.
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                        • #27
                          The statin and Celebrex are the most dangerous things she's taking--and both should probably be stopped.

                          In fact, statins are known to cause muscle pain, so it's possible that she 'needs' the Celebrex because of the statin.

                          I have severe osteoarthritis (including spinal stenosis), and I got off all meds via diet (anti-inflammatory, Primal) and exercise. I'm 70, and the only Rx I take are my thryoid hormones because I have Hashimoto's.

                          I suspect that your mother's appetite problems may be the combination of meds she's taking. In your situation, I'd try to get one of her doctors to work with me to wean her from her meds.

                          With her history and at her age (and being female), she definitely does not need a statin!

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                          • #28
                            I absolutely agree. I'm headed out there later this week because Grandma passed yesterday. If I get pushy, she'll never do it, so I just throw information out there and let it sink in.

                            I told her a while back that statins weren't helpful in women, especially elderly ones that never had a heart attack. She said she had high cholesterol, so I told her that studies showed higher cholesterol was directly related to LOWER mortailty in women, so she should ditch the statin. She replied "All I know is that my cholesterol is good and low now that I'm taking it!" Yeah, screw actual data.

                            I think she's actually starting to question the Celebrex and the statin, which thrills me.
                            Durp.

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                            • #29
                              The statins are really awful. My doctor put me on them when I was in my twenties... I'm in my fifties now and I took myself off them a year ago. Within 3 days I felt enormously better. My 25 year depression lifted and I quit my anti-depressants too. I had no idea that they were making me feel so awful. I truly felt last year that it wouldn't matter if I died, because my life was crap anyway. When I told my CW doctor I'd quit them and life was 100% better without, she told me I was killing myself. I replied that the last 3 months of my life had been so much better than the prior 25 years that if I died tomorrow I'd at least have had a good 3 months! Then I ditched her and got a better doc who refuses to even speak to pharma reps. My grandmother had very high cholesterol and lived to be 94. She never had any heart disease. It's all just an enormous scam.

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                              • #30
                                Thanks, Tiki. That sounds just like my mom, only you're closer to my age. She has been a little depressed, but it's hard to tell if that's due to taking care of my dad for 17 years (Parkinson's) then almost immediately having to deal with my Grandma (who just passed Wednesday, a week before she turned 96) for another decade. Throw in the arthritis, spinal sugery and taste/smell being messed up, and I'd be pretty bummed out too.

                                I didn't know statins could cause depression too (along with side effects that can make your life depressing as well). I'll let her know.

                                All in all, it looks to me like she doesn't even need the vast majority of the meds she's on, and it's like a chain reaction of one med causing a side efect that is fixed by another med that has a side effect that is fixed by another med...
                                Durp.

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