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  • Nursing Home Serious Questions

    The following facts have surfaced about Nursing Homes:

    1) They confiscate home & bank accounts of those who are admitted. As justification, they say they admit many people who own nothing, and cannot pay for their keep.

    2) They frequently prevent the public from visiting because of "Quarantines." (Perhaps once a month.) Why do they need a quarantine? Why so many quarantines? What is going on in there?

    3) My friend reports that his friend with Multiple Sclerosis is in a Nursing Home, and reports that the Nursing home has refused to give this man Vitamin D3 ! After several months of demanding vitamin D3, they finally relented and gave him 400 IU Dail which is a pitiful amount. He needs at least 5,000 IU Daily, according to Dr. Davis & Dr. Kruse. Enough Vitamin D3 to get the blood level to 70 + ng/ml.

    4) My friend reports that meals are TERRIBLE. Typical dinner = baloney on white bread with a slice of cranberry sauce. I asked my friend to get a complete list of meals being provided.

    I hope I am wrong, but it is my theory that Nursing Home patients are given sub-standard meals to keep their immune systems depressed, so they are more likely to suffer death from "Natural Causes" during one of their many Quarantines. Why else would they deny this MS stricken man an adequate dosage of Vitamin D3 ?

    Could the Nursing Homes be a modern day Auschwitz in America? Do they promote disease & death to keep bringing in new patients in order to confiscate their homes & bank accounts. Keep that money flowing.

    My friend & I are collecting the facts about this nursing home in question, and I will be reporting more later.

    Does anyone have more factual information to add about Nursing Homes?

    Edit: There is a wealth of information on the internet, search "Nursing Home Horrors"
    I need not look any further. Our worst fears are confirmed by this search.

    Grizz
    Last edited by Grizz; 12-24-2011, 07:22 AM.

  • #2
    I think it really depends on the nursing home, to be honest. There are good ones, but it's a really rough job and most people with the training and heart to handle it just can't for very long. They can get better pay and work environments elsewhere.

    Ironically, I find hospices to be pretty great places on average. I'm not sure why they're different.

    Anyway, I doubt it's as much a conspiracy as it is profit - more like bologna and bread with a slice of cranberry meets the meat, grain and fruit/veggie requirement they probably have, all while maintaining the lowest possible outlay for food. Throw on a slice of Velveeta and now you have "dairy".

    Sadly, it usually comes down to money.
    Durp.

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    • #3
      Grizz,
      Your concerns are valid. I used to be involved in a group called ADAPT and they agree with all you've stated. For really good information on nursing home incarcerations, go to ADAPT: Welcome to ADAPT! and find the ADAPT chapter in your state. Also, Steve Gold = Steve Gold's Nuggets is a good resource. He is affiliated with ADAPT and he is also an attorney. I would advise in trying to contact him. This is a disability rights driven group that is against warehousing people in nursing homes where they are deprived of their civil rights. Best of luck.

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      • #4
        They also give them tranquilizers, if they voice their opinion, are otherwise 'loud', pace around or want to leave.

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        • #5
          I used to work for a company that did systems to keep wandering patients inside. (No moral qualms about this, as the dangers of freezing or getting hit by a vehicle are worse than locking a door.) There are vast differences in assisted living facilities and nursing homes. Some of them are pretty amazing, and some of them are amazingly terrible. It really depends on the owner, and a significant number of them are independently owned. I experienced things that felt shady, and I was just a service provider for them. I also experienced places I wouldn't mind moving into, and that was when I was less than 25 years old. The standards are pretty minimal, it's hard to find people to staff them, and there's a wide range of quality.

          The state inspector was about the only thing that the homes really feared, if they were shady.

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          • #6
            It really must depend on the nursing home. I've been working part time at one in the dietary department for over 5 years, and it's great. There have only been 2-3 quarantines to my knowledge in that entire time, which were due to disease outbreaks (usually flu) that they wanted to control.

            The meals aren't that great from a Primal standpoint, in that they're usually processed/from a box, and there's plenty of grains and sugar to go around, but there's a wide variety of foods, including a fresh salad bar, and we cater to any special needs/requests.

            I'm sure you could find horror stories about anything you wanted on the internet, it's hardly worthwhile condemning an entire sector of the health care industry as an Auschwitz because of them. If you have concerns about a specific home I'd recommend reporting them to their state's health department for an investigation.

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            • #7
              Ditto to above comments. It totally depends on the owner, manager, and nursing staff. Their decisions determine what happens on a daily basis.

              Mom was in one that looked grand. However, the nursing staff scared her on a daily basis. I hired a private nurse till we got her moved to an assisted living center where she was happy for the time she had left.

              My friend's mom was in a privately owned very small nursing home that was heavenly. Good food, great people.

              If you're looking for a place for a loved one, do lots of homework and then drop in frequently at irregular times.

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              • #8
                I'm sure some are bad, but comparing them to a death camp is outrageous. I used to work in a place with a nutritionist. They had prettygood food, not primal... But no bologna or box lunches. And there was never a quarentine when I was there. One right before because of a tuberculosis outbreak. So don't be ridiculous, OP. It's an insult to those effected by the holocaust.
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                • #9
                  my 90 year old gramma tried to escape from her nursing home so many times that they kicked her out

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                  • #10
                    There were, a number of years ago, many smaller nursing homes in Boston that were nothing more than re-purposed old Victorian's that happened to have a lot of bedrooms. I was in them daily when I carried mail and I can tell you I'd rather be dead than land up in a place like that. Think stifling heat, loud daytime TV and the smell of stale urine w/ patients obviously under heavy sedation. The deal was that the home grabbed the gov't payment on one side and squeezed on services on the other to make a profit. Back before the internet I'd be bringing stacks of checks on the 1st and 3rd of the month. Stricter regulations and rising RE values closed most of them here but I sometimes spot seemingly similar situations to this day in other states.

                    When you consider that you are essentially being warehoused prior to your death and the costs involved the conditions are not surprising. I plan to keep one in da chamba in case I am on a path to a nursing home, I only hope I have the strength to pull the trigger.
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                    • #11
                      i think it varies by home, but we have a family member who works as an RN. S/he has told me enough stories of medical incompetence of superiors and things bordering on neglect to know that I would never put anyone in a nursing home unless it was absolutely necessary. Most of what was told to me was actually legal, as is what you've said above. i'm trying to plan for my financial future so that we can afford to have a MIL's apartment on our home or property. I have 3 parents (incl. a stepdad) and of course my husband's 2 parents, and no faith in my brothers or my inlaws to believe anyone else will care for our parents if they need it. the discarding of elderly that's so rampant in our culture is truly saddening.

                      that being said, i do think there are situations which might require an elderly person to be institutionalized, and i have to hope that there are nursing homes run by caring staff who want to promote health. i just don't think it's the norm. also, my mother has specifically requested that we put her in a nursing home. she has a few years to decide (she's in poor health, but is only 52), i won't hold her to it.

                      if your friend wants his relative on a certain nutritional regime that's not supported by the nursing home staff, he'll have to fight for it through the doctor. the key is finding a doctor who will give that order (the specific vitamin D supplementation and nutrition plan), and then the relative will have to be vigilant about making sure the staff follows through (and report them if they don't).
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                      • #12
                        Have the rules changed? My grandmother lived in a nursing home some years ago and they did not have control of her finances. My mother had power of attorney and took care of all of her affairs. Medicare would not pay for the facility until she had run through her own money, though. This happened the month she died, so we never did have to deal with them. I think the rule, back then at least, was that she was allowed to keep a small amount of savings in reserve for final expenses but that was it.

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                        • #13
                          as far as the "confiscation" goes, i have heard of that but the typical course is to gift most of it to family instead of leaving an inheritance.
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                          • #14
                            I've heard many middle to older aged people comment that they'd better make sure to transfer all their assets/wealth to their closest relatives before they get to the point of needing a nursing home as otherwise their closest relatives will NEVER see it.

                            If the experience I was involved in with my grandparents about 10 years ago is any indication, then YES! Nursing homes are in the business of systemically removing all wealth from the people that are in their care before they die.

                            The attitude seems to be that the "next" patient will probably have nothing to pay them and they will be forced to care for them (by government regulation) anyway so whenever a Granny comes along that's "loaded" they'd better milk 'em for all they've got to "make up for it"

                            It's sad and I'm sure there are exceptions, but I think when evaluating the industry norms that's *exactly* how the game is played.

                            By the time I'm that age...on one hand I shudder to think how bad it will be, but on the other hand, I figure by then I'll be declared "too much of a burden" on the socialist medical system and will have already been terminated for "the greater good"
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                            • #15
                              My father has been in a nursing facility. One thing that alarmed me- I called him one sunday, and he was garbled and did not make sense. He frequently receives breating treatments, so I assumed he had the mask on and could not talk. Turns out he went from being a coherent, friendly man fighting an infection, to being completely out of it. My mom, who visits every day had to push to get him more help. Turns out he had carbon monoxide poisoning due to something with his oxygen. It annoyed me to no end that no one on staff noticed the friendly talkative man slipping into a state of delirium OR didn't think anything was wrong.

                              My mom is allowed to visit everyday- if she didn't I think he'd be dead. He is supposed to go home soon- thank god, because it did feel like a death warehouse. Only ONE staff member seemed to care- a physical therapist who encouraged him and helps him prepare to go home.

                              I guess I am not suprised- most of the workers could probably make more at WalMart. But no way in hell would I be happy if my mom could not see my dad DAILY. Quarantine sounds like BS. He had an infection and had to stay in his room, but people could see him- we just had to wear masks and scrubs.

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