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  • Cordain on Acid-Alkaline Balance: argument against zero carb?



    Interesting articles in Matt Metzgar's blog (http://2.ly/g2h):


    - Diet-dependent acid load, Paleolithic nutrition, and evolutionary health promotion (PDF): http://2.ly/g2k


    - Estimation of the diet-dependent net acid load in 229 worldwide historically studied hunter-gatherer societies (full text): http://2.ly/g2j


    It is also mentioned that the Inuit appeared to suffer from osteoporosis as a result if their highly plant-free, acidic diet.


    Thoughts?

    “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
    "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
    "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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    Makes me think that, if the path to ideal health is a pH balanced diet, I would be screwed because, while I do have varied green non-starchy salads on a regular-ish basis, I always use balsamic vinegar as dressing, which has a low pH...

    “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
    "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
    "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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      Thanks for posting those, SS. (The first one wouldn't come up for me.)


      From what I've read about acid/alkaline balance, grains & sugars are very acidic, and I think that is a big part of the problem in the SAD diet.


      It would be interesting to see a study done with proponents of zero carb over the long haul, but it was good to see those comparisons. . .reminds me that it's definitely all about thriving and not just weight loss.

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        SS, there is more to acid/alkaline balance than the pH of the food. You'll be glad to know that balsamic vinegar is not highly acid forming, even though it has a low pH: http://preventdisease.com/fitness/nutrition/articles/acid_base_chart.html


        There is some variability as to food rankings among the various sources of information: http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthursto...oods_list.html and http://www.anti-aging-today.org/nutrition/alkaline-acid-foods.htm


        Maybe the thing to do is look for overall trends.

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          Does the Inuit diet provide adequate levels of vitamin D (50-80 ng/mL)?

          Seems unlikely.

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            Olive oil is Alkaline - just use an olive oil dressing on a salad with broccolli, olives, and celery in it.

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              Dualhammers, are you sure? Some sources have olive oil under Acidifying foods.


              This one for instance...

              http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/acidalkfoods.html


              edit: just found this one, and olive oil is under most alkaline. What now? :S


              http://preventdisease.com/fitness/nutrition/articles/acid_base_chart.html


              I'm curious because it's my biggest source of fats!

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                It is right on the cusp of acidic and alkaline. As a fruit it can be slightly acidic, but the oil is slightly alkaline.

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                  Does drinking organic apple cider vinegar make your body more acidic or alkaline? I used to do it in the past, but stopped for fear that it would do the former.

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                    Interesting that hydrogenated oils are listed as &#39;most alkaline&#39;

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                      Raphael, I&#39;ve read on several sites that the ash left when apple cider vinegar is boiled/burned is alkaline, and therefore ACV&#39;s effects on your body are also going to be alkaline. I have no idea whether that is accurate though.


                      However, I suspect any positive health benefits of drinking ACV have more to do with improving gut function than acid/base balance. On the Cooling Inflammation blog, Ayer speculates that vinegar may disrupt the integrity of harmful bacterial biofilms in the intestine.

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                        I still think the whole &#39;acid/alkaline balance&#39; is a load of rubbish. The body self regulates acidity. As long as you are getting enough nutrients, it is a non issue.


                        * Sinner> put a space after a link in brackets, otherwise is messes the link up

                        The "Seven Deadly Sins"

                        • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
                        • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
                        • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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                          I&#39;m still skeptical about acid/base balance too. But saying it is rubbish because the body self-regulates isn&#39;t terribly compelling either.


                          The body self-regulates glucose too, and plenty of people have big problems with glucose. Same goes for thyroid status and blood pressure and weight and any number of other bodily functions.


                          Homeostasis keeps things running smoothly most of the time, but anyone can be pushed out of balance, by disease or by injury or by an unhealthy lifestyle or environment.

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                            I&#39;ve been researching this as of late. Robb Wolf says in his podcast that you are "fine" if you keep 20-40% of calories from veggies. This is supposedly likely to yield a net alkaline diet. 20-40% veggies seems very difficult to accomplish to me.

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                              Can you just supplement with baking soda?


                              And Pikaia, thanks for the info. I&#39;ll do some research and probably pick another bottle of ACV, I actually love the taste.


                              And Tarlach, it&#39;s not rubbish just because you don&#39;t like veggies.

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