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    Just curious if anybody here has encountered a direct relation between having Asthma and their Diet ?

    I've been told there is a direct correlation between the two from a Natural treatment based Homeopathic oriented Dr whom I trust. I've always had asthma from childhood but only in the last 6 or so years has it become chronic to the point where I'm on a daily regimen of Advair, which perturbs me no end.

    Aside from being a vegetarian (that eats fish) I've been advised to stay away from all Dairy, Wheat, Oranges, Bananas, Tomatoes, Corn, most breads and Soy products. Drink Almond and Hemp milk as opposed to the soy milk I thought was healthy.

    It's stunning how much stuff contains wheat and the soy thing completely twists my head as to what I thought was a fairly healthy diet that I've commandeered for quite some time. 6'2" and 150lbs for most of my life. Skinny is me and rarely sick. Would have never imagined my diet was contributing to the asthma but if diet can kick the Advair out the door I'm game to give it a shot ... assuming I can deal with a new regimen of consumption.

    Won't be easy, that's for sure
    Last edited by Dolphin; 07-11-2011, 11:58 PM.

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    Cutting grains (no dairy 35yrs) made a huge difference in my asthma. Took about 4-6wks before I noticed a significant change and another 4 before I felt comfortable decreasing meds. My last lung function test was in April, my worst month of the year dues to allergies. I scored 92%, I've never scored that high especially in the spring. No more exercise induced incidents either!
    http://kitoikitchen.blogspot.com/

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    • #3
      WOW ... that'll give me inspiration. Once I figure out how to completely deal with the Wheat and Soy thing that seems to pervade the universe I'll feel somewhat accomplished, relatively speaking. I certainly don't expect this to happen overnight but it is interesting how the need for the Advair fluctuates at this point. Just doing my best to observe how it's relating to my intake.

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      • #4
        If you are looking for a trigger for your asthma, please don't piss around with homeopathic pseudo science, the ramifications are to dire.
        I had a mate die from an attack a few years ago. Get some proper (medical) testing done first to eliminate the usual suspects like dust mites, pollution, aspirin, pollen, certain preservatives, stress ect, then examine your diet.
        It could be diet, but far more likley something airborne.

        Aside from being a vegetarian (that eats fish) I've been advised to stay away from all Dairy, Wheat, Oranges, Bananas, Tomatoes, most breads and Soy products. Drink Almond and Hemp milk as opposed to the soy milk I thought was healthy.


        Who made this rather eclectic list and what are they basing it on? (soy is plant semen, so I'll agree with that)

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        • #5
          My asthma worstened to where I was on daily treatment and twice required emergency treatment. Going off wheat stopped it cold. Now I only take medication when I have a cold or such.
          “In God we trust; all others must bring data.” W. Edwards Deming
          Blogging at http://loafingcactus.com

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dolphin View Post
            Aside from being a vegetarian (that eats fish) I've been advised to stay away from all Dairy, Wheat, Oranges, Bananas, Tomatoes, most breads and Soy products. Drink Almond and Hemp milk as opposed to the soy milk I thought was healthy.
            Many raw milk advocates claim—and apparently some research data show—that raw milk (especially raw goat milk) can actually help cure asthma. When I did a course of acupuncture for my asthma, I was told to restrict dairy and wheat, but nothing was said about oranges, bananas, or tomatoes. It didn't seem to make a huge difference, but I almost certainly wasn't consistent enough with it long enough to know for sure.

            If you think dropping all those foods will be too much of a challenge, try one for two–three weeks to see how you do. I'd get rid of grains first, as they seem to be problematic to many people. Good luck with it.
            “Whether you think you can, or think you can’t — you’re right.” ~ Henry Ford

            My primal journal

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            • #7
              @Dave ...
              I do appreciate your concern and am indeed sorry to hear about your friend. Being acquainted with this condition and its progression my entire life I'm quite aware of when it creeps in. I've been on daily doses of Advair for close to 6 years and the prospect of a continual diet of steroids for the rest of my life doesn't quite thrill me.

              I assure you also that the recommendation/treatment is being given by a fully accredited MD who attended a highly respected Med school but often questioned traditional practices enough to look at alternative methods when the standard approach didn't seem to yield satisfactory results. She's got a full tool bag so to speak and has found that the body friendly approach can be very powerful if applied logically with insight into ALL that is available.

              I might add that she very recently oversaw treatment for a rather severe spider bite I had on my arm (Recluse I'm told). Yes, I had a Rx as prescribed by an ER Dr who looked at it for 60" after i waited for 3 hours in a not so busy waiting room. What really bugged me was I knew I needed a Rx and there was only one Dr in the ER. The point is though without her directed treatment afterwards, I highly dought I'd be looking at what is impossible to tell that anything even happened ... 4 weeks later.

              Previously, there had been an area about the size of a half dollar that cratered, turned black with an inch and a half of dark red halo that effected the lymph nodes in the upper part of the arm to a 6x3 inch swath under my armpit. Between her and an herbalist I know, unless I showed you the spot you'd never know it even happened. So ... that said, I'm willing to listen when she says "I can cure the Asthma". I'll believe it when it happens. I just figure it's' worth a shot.
              Last edited by Dolphin; 07-12-2011, 12:37 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dolphin View Post
                Just curious if anybody here has encountered a direct relation between having Asthma and their Diet ?
                Have you tried googling "paleo asthma" ?

                There are a couple of interesting articles at Whole Health source, too:

                Whole Health Source: Vitamin D May Prevent Flu and Asthma

                Whole Health Source: The Tokelau Island Migrant Study: Asthma

                I've been told there is a direct correlation between the two from a Natural treatment based Homeopathic oriented Dr whom I trust. I've always had asthma from childhood but only in the last 6 or so years has it become chronic to the point where I'm on a daily regimen of Advair, which perturbs me no end.

                Aside from being a vegetarian (that eats fish) I've been advised to stay away from all Dairy, Wheat, Oranges, Bananas, Tomatoes, most breads and Soy products. Drink Almond and Hemp milk as opposed to the soy milk I thought was healthy.
                People seem to think there may be a connection between excessive consumption of carbohydrates. Also it's been suggested there's a link with inflammation. Bearing both those in mind, yes, bread (all not most) should probably go. Soy products should certainly go—they're highly inflammatory. Soy is one of the most harmful foods out there and only pushed (word chosen deliberately) at the public because it's cheap to grow and makes huge profits for agribusiness. I believe that the Chinese, who first cultivated soy, for hundreds of years did nothing other than use it as a nitrogen fixer: they certainly didn't eat it themselves. Eventually, they discovered that long natural fermentation will deal with some of the nasty substances in it and began to eat small amounts of fermented soy foods. Most ordinary supermarket soy products are not fermented: avoid them. In particular, as a male you should be concerned about the phytoestrogens—plant substances similar to female hormone—in it. Here is a list of the studies that have shown problems with soy isoflavones—it's a long one:

                Studies Showing Adverse Effects of Isoflavones, 1950-2010

                I'm not sure what your doctor has against some of these other foods. Paleo people will often take dairy and foods from the "nightshade group", such as tomatoes, out of the diet and that seems to help some people. Maybe some people react badly to oranges and bananas—I just don't know.

                Bearing in mind the first link at the top I gave, I would try some vitamin D myself, since most people's levels of it are lower than optimal. We don't spend our lives outside these days, unlike our ancestors. Perhaps you could mention vitamin D to your doctor and see what he says.

                If you take dairy out, as you say you've been recommended to do, you're taking out a good source of fat-soluble vitamins (such as D, A, and K). That's not good news if you're a vegetarian. If you're not going to eat dairy, you probably should eat liver once or twice a week. I suggest watching the video linked here:

                The Daily Lipid: "Are Animal Fats Good for You?" Lecture Now Free Online

                It makes the importance of vitamin A clear, and tells how to get it—animal products (whether dairy or flesh products) I'm afraid. There's a precursor (beta-carotene) is plants, but conversion of that in the body to A is problematic.

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                • #9
                  When I changed to Primal, here's what I lost:

                  114 pounds (so far)
                  Asthma
                  Arthritis
                  Migraine
                  IBS

                  Yes, diet makes a difference in a thousand different ways.
                  Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                  Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                  Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                  My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dolphin View Post
                    @Dave ...
                    I do appreciate your concern and am indeed sorry to hear about your friend. Being acquainted with this condition and its progression my entire life I'm quite aware of when it creeps in. I've been on daily doses of Advair for close to 6 years and the prospect of a continual diet of steroids for the rest of my life doesn't quite thrill me.

                    I assure you also that the recommendation/treatment is being given by a fully accredited MD who attended a highly respected Med school but often questioned traditional practices enough to look at alternative methods when the standard approach didn't seem to yield satisfactory results. She's got a full tool bag so to speak and has found that the body friendly approach can be very powerful if applied logically with insight into ALL that is available.

                    I might add that very recently she very recently oversaw treatment for a rather severe spider bite I had on my arm (Recluse I'm told). Yes, I had a Rx as prescribed by an ER Dr who looked at it for 60" after i waited for 3 hours in a not so busy waiting room. What really bugged me was I knew I needed a Rx and there was only one Dr in the ER. The point is though without her directed treatment afterwards, I highly dought I'd be looking at what is impossible to tell that anything even happened ... 4 weeks later.

                    Previously, there had been an area about the size of a half dollar that cratered, turned black with an inch and a half of dark red halo that effected the lymph nodes in the upper part of the arm to a 6x3 inch swath under my armpit. Between her and an herbalist I know, unless I showed you the spot you'd never know it even happened. So ... that said, I'm willing to listen when she says "I can cure the Asthma". I'll believe it when it happens. I just figure it's' worth a shot.
                    Good for you.
                    Leaving no stone unturned never hurt anyone.
                    I hope it does turn out to be a fix as simple as diet.

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                    • #11
                      @Lewis ...
                      Thank you for the links. Interesting indeed along with many of your other insights. Yeah, I sure bought into the soy hype that I'll have to adjust to accordingly. As for your liver suggestion as a veghead for the last 30+ years, simply not going to happen. Didn't like it when I did eat meat .. LOL. The soy and wheat thing are the biggest challenges for sure. Never realized how prevalent wheat is ... just bizarre.

                      Incidentally, some of the other foods are things that she basically tested me for. Oddly enough I remember being allergic to tomatoes when i was a child. I think i used to break out. Doesn't happen now but perhaps a subtle morph happened .. hmm. I am told goat cheese is good to consume. It may well become my new snack. I've got a habit of consuming these tasty animal crackers (wheat based of coarse) when i drink a variety of tea, frequently as the day goes along. Not sure what to do about that. Obviously most cookies are out too. Man ... what do you do for snacks ? I did discover these amazing Seaweed things about as thin as filo dough at Trader Joe's

                      @Griff
                      That is superb. I've always subscribed to "You are what you eat" It's about to become more defined for me though.

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                      • #12
                        dolphin,

                        I suffered asthma and what helped me the MOST was the Paleo Diet and 10,000 IU Vitamin D3 daily. Especially the Vitamin D3.

                        Asthma is the result of our immune system gone berserk. Surprise, surprise ! Our immune system REQUIRES Vitamin D3 to function properly. And since we never get enough direct exposure to the sun anymore, most people are deficient in Vitamin D3.
                        http://www.naturalnews.com/z028357_v...eficiency.html
                        Not only asthma, but we suffer from an amazing array of diseases from immune system problems caused by vitamin D3 deficiency, including cancers, cold, flue, bone problems, mental problems & more. Vitamin D3 is not just a vitamin. It is a required hormone.

                        More on Vitamin D3 here:
                        http://tinyurl.com/Vitamin-D-Report

                        Grizz
                        Last edited by Grizz; 07-12-2011, 03:43 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dolphin View Post
                          @Lewis ...
                          Thank you for the links. Interesting indeed along with many of your other insights. Yeah, I sure bought into the soy hype that I'll have to adjust to accordingly. As for your liver suggestion as a veghead for the last 30+ years, simply not going to happen. Didn't like it when I did eat meat
                          You said you ate fish, didn't you? That leaves cod liver oil as an option. (The best cod liver oil is the naturally fermented one from Green Pastures.) If you do take some D3—which seems like it might help, and as Mark advises anyway as part of the Primal Blueprint—then you need to have more A. A and D work synergistically, and too much of either one in the context of not enough of the other is not recommended.

                          BTW, I just checked Chris Kresser's blog and he says some magnesium can help—or rather that deficiency of it is implicated:

                          ... magnesium deficiency is no small thing. It has serious – even fatal – consequences. It produces symptoms like muscle cramps, heart arrhythmias, tremor, headaches & acid reflux, and it’s associated with CVD, hypertension, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, migraines, PMS, asthma, hypothyroidism. In fact, it’s hard to find a modern disease magnesium deficiency isn’t associated with.
                          Magnesium is depleted in the soil, owing to modern farming methods, chiefly the use of NPK fertlilizers, (and acid rain can leach it, too). The levels most modern humans get in their diet will be far lower than most people have had throughout history. Many people here take it in some form or other, such as Naturalcalm.

                          Actually, standard Primal Blueprint recommendation is basically: low-ish carb, grain-free wholefoods, plus vitamin D, plus magnesium.

                          Here are the references to asthma I came up with on Chris Kresser's site:

                          http://thehealthyskeptic.org/?s=asthma
                          Last edited by Lewis; 07-12-2011, 10:06 AM.

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                          • #14
                            My asthma was a problem from junior high school onwards. Well-controlled via Flovent twice daily but without medication the attacks could leave me too weak to speak above a whisper.

                            In January I started changing my diet (didn't know about primal at that point) and logging how I felt. I noticed within just a few days that my acid reflux was grain-related. After I gave up grains entirely I noticed that my asthma was improving (around March). I cut my medications to once daily. After about six weeks of that I spoke to my doctor about it and he suggested going off my meds entirely. My last dose was April 29th, and I've had no problems. I have sprinted, mowed, run many 5K distances, and played a lot of tennis, ran the Cooper River Bridge Run. I *NEVER* could have done ANY of those things previously without medication.

                            Just google "wheat asthma". There's a LOT of material from decent sources available. Also google "Baker's asthma" -- it's a common occupational asthma prevalent among people that work with wheat. I don't know why this doesn't get more attention. Diet changes should come BEFORE trying medications, though I guess there is little profit in that. :-(

                            So, yeah, wheat might just be the culprit.
                            Life is short: Void the warranty.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dave_o View Post
                              (soy is plant semen, so I'll agree with that)
                              Hey, don't diss plant semen. I tasted some pollen from one of my hives the other day and it was delicious

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