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    I put together a wiki about health. Paleolithic aspects are included but its primarily about populations that have been documented as healthy, modern scientific reasoning and research, etc.

    It currently has over 1,200 references to unique, peer reviewed scientific literature. It is an open wiki and you may contribute, or discuss aspects/suggestions here. Certain parts of the wiki may be wrong, so correction regarding any of these would be appreciated.

    If you're familiar with the paleo sphere (blogs etc), there is not really much or any novel content; the content is inspired by people who've already written lots of great stuff (e.g. Whole Health Source ). But I wanted to compile stuff. The ultimate idea is a site where if you wanted to talk to somebody about some health issue, you can easily pull up a concise but extensive document detailing everything relevant/significant, with sources and particular arguments included.

    http://flare8.net/health

  • #2
    Good idea, bookmarked! I'll have a thorough look later...maybe email it to Mark, see if he wants to join in?
    I'm a paleo foodie, come check out my recipes: http://strangekitty.ca/

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    • #3
      That is way cool.

      I'm going through the Health and Diets page, very good.

      All those pics of people to show their teeth are getting creepy. I would suggest moving those to a "creepy teeth page" or something!

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      • #4
        If you don't mind some feedback on the "Just Tell Me What To Eat" page-

        If I posted that link on my Facebook to recommend everyone I know to read it, it would freak them out.

        As far as "eat this," there are 4 things. One is organ meats and offal, and another is raw dairy. I think just about everyone reading that would click the page off and never come back!

        The sample menu looks like food for 2 people, not one. Do you eat THAT much?

        I'm not trying to bust on all the hard work, it's awesome. I'm just reacting the way most readers would.

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        • #5
          If you don't mind...i'll go through later an improve the writing flow.
          I'm a paleo foodie, come check out my recipes: http://strangekitty.ca/

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DFH View Post
            If I posted that link on my Facebook to recommend everyone I know to read it, it would freak them out.
            I know, not much I can do about that, I really want the info there regarding what is especially healthful food. Such info wouldn't be considered extreme/gross in many non-U.S. cultures. :|

            I'd like the main pages to sort of be a catalog, but the 'summations_conclusions' page to be focused more on making specific arguments/points/convincing writing, i think. so that's where I would try to convince someone that offal is good, not to mention tasty. (but since I think its probably not absolutely necessary to include offal in one's diet, maybe its ok not to try and persuade people of it if they don't want..).

            Originally posted by DFH View Post
            The sample menu looks like food for 2 people, not one. Do you eat THAT much?
            Yea, if i worked it out right it comes out to around 2,000 kcal, ~65% fat, 20% carb, 15% protein.

            Originally posted by Nion View Post
            If you don't mind...i'll go through later an improve the writing flow.
            Yea for sure, I know the flow of the whole thing is one of the weaker points. However, I was getting kind of tired of working on this because I feel like the info is adequately presented to where someone who was genuinely interested in health could parse the necessary knowledge. So that's why I put it up on a wiki, so it could be improved hopefully by the paleo community at large, not to mention updated with new info/studies as they come about.

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            • #7
              It's a great start. I hope it takes off.

              Instead of saying "eat this way..." Maybe say-

              (In this order)

              1. Things that are eaten the most that are OK...
              2. Things that you want to avoid...
              3. Things that you should consider if you really want to be Primal/Paleo (your preferences)

              I have my preferences too, but on my blog I just wrote a page called "My Diet and Plan" instead of trying to convince others to copy what I do.

              Give people a chance to get to appreciate the site and not so much hit them with everything at once. People make changes at their own speed.

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              • #8
                I rejiggered a few things attempting to improve readability. I split the 'health and diets' section into 4 more specific sections: Healthy societies; Healthy societies diets; Unhealthy societies; Unhealthy societies diets. I also moved the summary/conclusion page to the front, the idea sort of being that an overview of the significant subjects is given and then people can follow up on a specific section if they're sufficiently intrigued..

                Originally posted by DFH View Post
                I have my preferences too, but on my blog I just wrote a page called "My Diet and Plan" instead of trying to convince others to copy what I do.
                Well I'm aiming for the food recommendations to be based more on 'good evidence' rather than personal preference.. With most of the evidence currently being from what foods traditionally healthy societies seemed to prefer, and also what foods the various diets shared in common.

                If you're referring to the 'just tell me what to eat' section, on that page I'm trying to make specific recommendations just as an example that people can relate to -- not meant to be a 'you must eat this'. I just added the word 'example' in there to try and make that more clear.

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                • #9
                  I like the changes.

                  I hesitate to be critical because it's really good and it was a lot of work.

                  I think walnuts are as healthy as macadamias.

                  I'm still freaked out with all those pics of people showing their teeth in Healthy Societies. I don't get it. I wouldn't send that page to my family to read because they would think I got mixed up in some tooth cult or something!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DFH View Post
                    I hesitate to be critical because it's really good and it was a lot of work.
                    Its ok, I can handle it. I know there are issues but its a work in progress and part of why i'm posting this is because i'm seeking feedback/criticism/suggestions.


                    Originally posted by DFH View Post
                    I think walnuts are as healthy as macadamias.
                    This could be true, but my best guess right now is that macadamis are probably better due to lower polyunsaturated fat content:

                    1 cup Walnuts
                    11 g omega 3
                    44 g omega 6

                    1 cup Macadamia
                    .2 g omega 3
                    1.7 g omega 6

                    Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Nuts, macadamia nuts, raw
                    Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Nuts, walnuts, english [Includes USDA commodity food A259, A257]

                    Originally posted by DFH View Post
                    I'm still freaked out with all those pics of people showing their teeth in Healthy Societies. I don't get it. I wouldn't send that page to my family to read because they would think I got mixed up in some tooth cult or something!
                    I can understand it might look a little weird at first, but I really think the teeth/dental structure thing is pretty impressive.
                    -89% of U.S. 12 to 17 year olds have some sort of dental disharmony. 16% have disharmony that requires “mandatory treatment”. Basically everyone knows someone who has some dental problems. Especially cavities, or say, wisdom teeth removal
                    -Perfect dental structure is a noticable and memorable thing, in my opinion. Its a good representation of the idea that humans on a proper diet are just very solid, attractive, well-formed looking things.
                    -It's visual evidence which some people might find more enticing/intriguing than just words words words on a page.

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                    • #11
                      I thnk I may have to do less walnuts and more macadamias! I was just looking at Omega 3.

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                      • #12
                        I learned about your site here Another great health and nutrition article resource | Julianne's Paleo & Zone Nutrition Blog and we were all pretty impressed. People think that you should have a blog of some sort.
                        Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                        Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DFH View Post
                          I thnk I may have to do less walnuts and more macadamias! I was just looking at Omega 3.
                          I did a whole bunch of charts with omega 3 and omega 6 content of nuts, oils, seeds, meat etc. Yes walnuts have a ton of omega 6
                          It's here FYI
                          Omega 6 and 3 in nuts, oils, meat and fish. Tools to get it right. | Julianne's Paleo & Zone Nutrition Blog

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by free3337 View Post
                            I put together a wiki about health. Paleolithic aspects are included but its primarily about populations that have been documented as healthy, modern scientific reasoning and research, etc.

                            It currently has over 1,200 references to unique, peer reviewed scientific literature. It is an open wiki and you may contribute, or discuss aspects/suggestions here. Certain parts of the wiki may be wrong, so correction regarding any of these would be appreciated.

                            If you're familiar with the paleo sphere (blogs etc), there is not really much or any novel content; the content is inspired by people who've already written lots of great stuff (e.g. Whole Health Source ). But I wanted to compile stuff. The ultimate idea is a site where if you wanted to talk to somebody about some health issue, you can easily pull up a concise but extensive document detailing everything relevant/significant, with sources and particular arguments included.

                            http://flare8.net/health
                            Thanks for putting this site together - it's a great resource. I like how you have made notes properly referenced. Thanks. I put link through to it when I found it. I think Mark should put this in his link love!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                              you should have a blog of some sort.
                              Thanks I guess, but i don't think a blog would really be appropriate for me:
                              -I didn't really do much or any original thinking or research. With a blog, what would I write about? I'd only be reposting, rewriting or synthesizing the work others have done. Not that that's bad, but I think a wiki format might be better for that kind of stuff.
                              -Health is important, but it's not my current or desired forte, and it's something I'd like to be 'done with' at some point. A blog is sort of a continuous, ongoing thing.
                              By 'done with' I mean, to know basically what is good and bad food, and to have easily accessible, convincing and comprehensive arguments/data that I and others can link to when discussing health. That is the goal.

                              I'd like to point out some potential benefits i see in a wiki:

                              -Many people can contribute: I'm only one person, with limited time, knowledge, and interest, so I can only do so much. But with a wiki format, where many people can contribute small amounts, the benefits can really rack up fast and the quality would probably surpass anything I could ever put together on my own.

                              -Many people can contribute different skills: Someone might be good at research, so they post up on the wiki some new good evidence about something. But maybe they're not really good at writing/communicating. That's OK though, because someone else (who might not be good at research) can come along and contribute by improving the comprehensibility of the original writing. And yet another person (who might not be good at research or writing, but good with graphics) could come along and compress the info into even more digestible and portable things such as an image (see, The Paleolithic Diet InfoGraphic | Free The Animal ). Etc.

                              -Infinitely updateable: if some current line of reasoning or evidence ever turns out to be wrong, off, or unhelpful, it can be deleted or modified, and people can still link to the page the wrong info was on, or generally to the wiki. Similarly, if say, a new study popped up about the horrors of PUFA, the study can easily be added/updated to the PUFA page, and all the while people can still link to the same PUFA page, even if its content is changing as time goes on.

                              -Easy and cataloged discussion: say someone put together some argument about X, using some references to other papers. Another person is skeptical about one of the papers referenced. Discussion can then occur right on the relevant page, about why the reference is valuable or not. If any future people have the same skepticism, they can be linked directly to that discussion (and hopefully, the resolution of that discussion point). This way, an article/page/argument can contain just the relevant argument and research, without having to clutter that specific page with justifications as to why the research is valid. In a blog format, important or useful discussions can pop up in irrelevant pages, and further be hard to find due to the typical linear blog comments style.

                              ----

                              I just incorporated these studies:

                              "In summary, we have shown that the pattern of variation in copy
                              number of the human AMY1 gene is consistent with a history of diet-related selection pressures, demonstrating the importance of starchy foods in human evolution." ... "Human salivary amylase protein (responsible for starch digestion) levels are 6 to 8 times higher in humans than in chimpanzees." http://www.anthro.utah.edu/PDFs/jour..._variation.pdf

                              "The independent origin of salivary amylase in rodents and primates suggests that there has been strong evolutionary selection for amylase in saliva." http://www.science.marshall.edu/murr...ase%20gene.pdf

                              This was interesting regarding rice: "on the basis of evidence from prehistoric rice farming communities in Southeast Asia, we questioned the relationship between dental caries and the presumptive increased carbohydrate consumption consequent to the adoption of agriculture. This paper reviews recent literature on the topic and presents evidence that there is still no simple or universally applicable explanation for patterns of changes in caries frequencies during human prehistory."
                              Can dental caries be interpreted as evidence of fa... [Front Oral Biol. 2009] - PubMed result

                              and found some more neat American Indian pictures @ Indians . Their health status is unknown..

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