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  • In need of convincing evidence and research.

    Hello all,

    I'm relatively new to the PB, still working my way through the archives and the book. I'm convinced, but my wife isn't, and we have had quite a few scuffles over her diet and that of our two children. Evidently all the evidence and science *I* can scrounge up isn't enough to support this lifestyle change.

    So, here I am, in hopes of getting some help in finding hard proof that the PB is on target and good to go. Any assistance that can be provided would be greatly appreciated.

    ~Samurai

  • #2
    It's in the book.

    It's here:

    Primal Blueprint 101 | Mark's Daily Apple

    It's here:

    Success Stories | Mark's Daily Apple

    And sugggest you both read Why We Get Fat and/or Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes.

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    • #3
      She'll see it in you soon enough.
      Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread17722.html

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      CW: 146.8 lbs
      GW 140 lbs
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      • #4
        Tell her you'll talk to her about it after she's read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes - which has numerous peer-reviewed scientific articles. If she won't do that, tell her she isn't willing to read the evidence that this way of eating works.
        Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

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        • #5
          evidence

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          • #6
            I don't have my copy of the PB with me but isn't there an exhaustive list of footnotes citing research papers in it?
            You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Grumpy Caveman View Post
              I don't have my copy of the PB with me but isn't there an exhaustive list of footnotes citing research papers in it?
              Each chapter has an endnotes page with citations, etc.
              Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread17722.html

              F/49/5'4"
              Jan. 1, 2011: 186.6 lbs PBSW Mar. 1, 2011: 175.8 lbs
              CW: 146.8 lbs
              GW 140 lbs
              A proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals

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              • #8
                The good news is: Every man has a built in barometer of heart health that tells you each morning whether things are going well or not. If your barometer turgidly points up then your heart is doing well, if you get no reading (like many aging men) most mornings then there are some issues.
                "You can demonstrate the purpose and limits of human digestion with a simple experiment: eat a steak with some whole corn kernels, and see what comes out the other end. It won’t be the steak."
                -J.Stanton

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                • #9
                  Give her the perfect health diet and go over the arguments there point by point. Ask her to back up all of her assertions using evidence. Ask her to name people who eat all natural foods and give up grain and sugar and become less healthy - since there basically aren't any. Emphasize the nutrition density of your new diet and the other benefits. I've explained PB to a cardiologist and an endocrinologist now, and neither of them condemned it, in fact they were fairly interested.
                  If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                  • #10
                    First, all the scientific studies in the world may not convince her. Ask yourself whether scientific "proof" will work. If not, don't bother.

                    As Belinda suggested, the best way to get someone to go primal is to show them that it works. My full explanation is here.
                    Ancestral Health Info

                    I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

                    Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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                    • #11
                      Indeed, usually these sorts of conversations don't end up with both people sitting down and reading studies and discussing it. What are the points of contention? Grains? Saturated fat?
                      Last edited by Stabby; 05-14-2011, 06:26 PM.
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                      • #12
                        "Show me the Science!" Girl Gone Primal: Show Me The Science!

                        From experience, if your wife doesn't believe it, she won't.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TCOHTom View Post
                          "Show me the Science!" Girl Gone Primal: Show Me The Science!

                          From experience, if your wife doesn't believe it, she won't.
                          Wow! Great resource!
                          Ancestral Health Info

                          I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

                          Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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                          • #14
                            Altho Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes is very complete I found that his latest book "why we get fat" gets more to the point and is an easy read.

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                            • #15
                              Unless she is prepared to change her mind then she won't. No amount of evidence will do that. And arguing with her will just force her to dig in her heels because people have a hard time admitting they were wrong (or that everything that thought they knew and advocated is bullshit). Proving it with your results is the best bet.
                              A steak a day keeps the doctor away

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