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    Apparently gastric bypass surgery is being tested as a treatment for: "... type 2 diabetes, sleep apnea, high blood pressure, coronary artery disease and even cancer."

    Apparently Dr. Rubino did some tests with diabetic rats and found that if they bypassed the duodenum the rats ceased being diabetic. I'm wondering what is so special about that section small intestine.

    I did not see any talk of long term results of the surgery.

    All in all, I'm wondering what is really going on here. Does anyone know any more about this?

    Link to the article I originally found:
    The Bypass Effect On Diabetes, Cancer - 60 Minutes - CBS News

  • #2
    From what I understand, bypass surgery essentially masks type 2 by making the symptoms go away, but the underlying metabolic damage does not actually go away, and the condition can reoccur if people return to old habits over time (the stomach can be re-stretched if people don't follow the eating plan after). Also, the long-term negative health effects of current bypass surgery can be pretty horrific.
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    • #3
      Perhaps that is where sugar is absorbed.
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      • #4
        Not happy to hear about this. GBS is only damage control. It doesn't cure the original problem--- terrible diet, and inactive lifestyle.
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        • #5
          Ghrelin excretion and leptin are affected as well as B12 absorbtion, growth hormone excretion (resulting in osteoporosis, among other things), iron absorbtion (chronic anemia sounds like fun, what do you think?), and probably other stuff.

          And people think that medicine in the 1800's was slash and burn; between stuff like this, and chemo therapy, the tools may be different, but the mode is the same.
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          • #6
            I saw this on the news yesterday and all I could think was "why didn't they try a primal diet first?"

            Our health systems are already stretched to the limit and here they want to go and cure diabetes with surgery? DOH!
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            • #7
              Yeah, people end up so messed up from things they could deal with by changing their diet. I have an AI disorder that stays in remission with diet. I've talked to others with the same and they pop massive amounts of drugs, go through surgery and just abuse themselves so they can continue on like before, except their conditions deteriorate and many end up with cancers, depression, complications. Few want to believe that it's diet related yet it's staring them right in the face. A former co-worker's wife is going blind from the medications being used to treat a thyroid condition. They have to operate on both eyes to hopefully save her sight. When she was first diagnosed I forwarded a bunch of research showing a connection to gluten and diet but she wasn't interested. Eh, people are gonna do what they want to do.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Blackcatbone View Post
                Yeah, people end up so messed up from things they could deal with by changing their diet. I have an AI disorder that stays in remission with diet. I've talked to others with the same and they pop massive amounts of drugs, go through surgery and just abuse themselves so they can continue on like before, except their conditions deteriorate and many end up with cancers, depression, complications. Few want to believe that it's diet related yet it's staring them right in the face. A former co-worker's wife is going blind from the medications being used to treat a thyroid condition. They have to operate on both eyes to hopefully save her sight. When she was first diagnosed I forwarded a bunch of research showing a connection to gluten and diet but she wasn't interested. Eh, people are gonna do what they want to do.
                Thats a shame. I hope your former co-worker's wife does OK.

                One of the common "troubleshooting foods" for people with AI problems in the bowel is Metamucil wafers, with the top ingredient-wheat flour.. Argh..

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                • #9
                  Ugh, swapping one problem for another.

                  I have a friend who had bypass surgery. She now has all kinds of physical problems, has to go for regular vitamin injections etc as she can't absorb them properly, and is endlessly having to go to bed with bad stomach pains and/ or vomiting after eating things like a small portion of rice. She'll never be able to eat and digest a proper healthy diet. Why anyone thinks that mutilating people's bodies is a good way to treat a disease I have no idea!
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                  • #10
                    And yet there are success stories with the surgery too...my husband had it last year - he was morbidly obese and could not seem to lose weight - he tried Atkins, Weight Watchers, etc. His surgeon had the same surgery about 10 years ago, and a coworker of mine had it about 6 years ago...they are both doing fine. My husband has lost 125 pounds so far...he is also off of all 4 of his blood pressure meds, his gout med, his cholesterol med...

                    I agree that i wish he could have done something less radical...but i didn't really get into the primal idea until after he had the surgery, so the knowledge was not there. His diet is pretty similar to mine though - he limits carbs to fruit and vegetables, makes sure he eats protein first, no sweets, etc. I don't know if he would have stuck to a primal diet, but he has to stick with the bariatric diet or he gets violently ill.

                    Desperate people make desperate choices...he was not as bad as the guy stuck to his chair, but he was not going to live much longer the way he was going. So not all choices are workable for all people...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by floridapiper View Post
                      And yet there are success stories with the surgery too...my husband had it last year - he was morbidly obese and could not seem to lose weight - he tried Atkins, Weight Watchers, etc. His surgeon had the same surgery about 10 years ago, and a coworker of mine had it about 6 years ago...they are both doing fine. My husband has lost 125 pounds so far...he is also off of all 4 of his blood pressure meds, his gout med, his cholesterol med...

                      I agree that i wish he could have done something less radical...but i didn't really get into the primal idea until after he had the surgery, so the knowledge was not there. His diet is pretty similar to mine though - he limits carbs to fruit and vegetables, makes sure he eats protein first, no sweets, etc. I don't know if he would have stuck to a primal diet, but he has to stick with the bariatric diet or he gets violently ill.

                      Desperate people make desperate choices...he was not as bad as the guy stuck to his chair, but he was not going to live much longer the way he was going. So not all choices are workable for all people...
                      Indeed. And I'm very glad it's worked out well so far for your husband. But the problem is, you never know before the surgery who will be the lucky ones.
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                      • #12
                        I know one woman who's had gastric bypass and two who went the lapband route. The two who did lapband lost a ton of weight but look sickly to me. I don't think they changed anything except the amount they eat and I wonder how healthy they'll be a few years from now.

                        The woman who went the bypass route was very high risk but her doctor said it was worth the chance because she was surely going to die without it. She's 5' tall with tiny bone structure and was probably approaching 400 lbs. She could barely walk and her organs were ready to throw in the towel.

                        She nearly died from the proceedure due to her incision breaking open and infections. It took many, many months and several more hospitalizations just to recover from the surgery but she did loose weight for the first couple of years. She never got to where a person with such a small fame should be, but it was a huge improvement. Lately she's been gaining again.

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                        • #13
                          My husband did not have an easy time of it for the first couple of months - pain, inability to eat- but he has stabilized now. Horsewoman, yu are right, you don't know if you will be one of the fortunate ones - he put the odds more in hid favor by choosng a good doctor.

                          the problem with bariatric diets, and even primal - the health issues return with the return to old patterns of eating. My husband's doc told the story of a woman who was eating one of those huge bags of MMs very day - she would eat them one at a time. Not that's determination...but not in a good way...

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                          • #14
                            My friend also is not losing weight. She lost quite a bit in the first few months but now she's stalled, and she's still obese and can hardly eat without pain and vomiting.
                            Gluten intolerance and hypermobility syndrome http://www.cfids.org/pdf/joint-hypermobility-guide.pdf

                            Eat food. Mostly real. Enjoy life.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by floridapiper View Post
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                              the problem with bariatric diets, and even primal - the health issues return with the return to old patterns of eating. My husband's doc told the story of a woman who was eating one of those huge bags of MMs very day - she would eat them one at a time. Not that's determination...but not in a good way...
                              That is just sad.

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