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  • #31
    I would say maintain your food storage plan, make sure you know how to use those items in your larder. Still pay attention to your food rotation of your larder, but remove these things from your daily diet. If times get hard or there are major issues then you have that to fall back on. I don't think anyone here would turn their nose up to food where there is none. If your going to go Paleo you will feel much better and you won't miss these foods. However if you treat those items as your emergency plan then you can reconcile your beliefs with your diet.

    I am not LDS, but understand the food storage plans and the items in those plans. Hardly anything in it is Paleo. So I would just change the thinking from active storage foods use to emergency use only.

    Longsnowsm

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Kay Exeye View Post
      not everybody would consider the bible dated, many people still find it very relevant today.
      no one is asking you to take it seriously, all i am saying is that not everyone shares those views. it is a view since you simply cannot just say the bible is dated and have the be the ultimate truth. it is very much a view.
      And those who have that view are wrong. Sorry to tell you this - it's at least two thousand years out of date, and more in many places. That makes it dated.
      Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

      Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


      Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

      My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Griff View Post
        And those who have that view are wrong. Sorry to tell you this - it's at least two thousand years out of date, and more in many places. That makes it dated.
        I think it's pretty judgmental and flat out rude for Griff to completely write off your religious beliefs. I'm not going to do that, because I think it's a useless and stupid thing to bicker about.


        But returning to the original point the Bible IS dated. That's a huge part of its reasoning as a large part of Western culture today--that Jesus was supposedly born 2011 years ago, and the stories in the old testament PRE-date that and the stories in the new testament POST-date that. I only mentioned this dated aspect of the Bible to remind everyone that it was written in a specific place and time firmly rooted in growing and eating grains.
        I don't own a scale and don't care to!

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        • #34
          I appreciate where you are coming from--thanks for you comment. No worries on the Griff post. Every one has a right to their opinion and we all have freedom of choice...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ilikesubtitles View Post
            I think it's pretty judgmental and flat out rude for Griff to completely write off your religious beliefs.
            I think it's pretty judgmental and flat out rude for people to expect anyone to take that claptrap seriously. Just sayin'.
            Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

            Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


            Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

            My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Griff View Post
              I think it's pretty judgmental and flat out rude for people to expect anyone to take that claptrap seriously. Just sayin'.
              They take it seriously. I don't think most give a flying rat's ass what you take seriously, beyond some desire to save the unsaved or whatever. To me 'the bible says so' is about as valid as 'my nutritionist said so' or 'my buddy Steve down at the bar said so" You take it for what it is. Honestly I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who says, "I read on the Huffington Post" or "So I saw on Fox News..." but they are still entitled to their beliefs and opinons. Just because I disagree with them doesn't invalidate their beliefs or right to have them.

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              • #37
                As a new member here, I am surprised at the rudeness on this thread. I am not LDS, but am a Christian. I know most paleo folks are not Christian, but I am surprised that you would be so rude to one who simply asked a question. She didn't ask you to insult her and her belief system, she asked for an opinion on oats.

                "I'm specifically curious if there are any other LDS "all grain is good for the food of man--wheat for man" people out there who have perspective on this subject. I am very open-minded and looking for responsible comments, not judgments. I already have informed people telling me that I'm in a cult (LDS) and now I will be joining a second cult (PB). Give me a break..."

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                  They take it seriously. I don't think most give a flying rat's ass what you take seriously, beyond some desire to save the unsaved or whatever.
                  To me, "the bible says so" is about as valid as "My book of Mother Goose rhymes says so." Frankly, I don't care that they take it seriously. My point is that they SHOULDN'T, because it's not factual, nor is it relevant to today's issues and problems. At best, it's just a book of fiction and somewhat questionable history - at worst, it's just flat-out propaganda. And the problem is, way too many of them then take that next step and say "And if you don't believe it then you're a BAD PERSON!" - that "desire to save the unsaved" that you were talking about.

                  It offends me that anyone thinks that book is anything other than fiction. The fact that they have the right to believe whatever nonsense they want to believe doesn't enter into it. I'm still going to call it what it is: fiction. And yes, that may be rude, but about this issue, I don't care. This is one thing I'm going to continue to challenge, because it's one of the biggest social obstacles to rational thinking and logical assessment of the world, and it needs to stop. If you can't prove it, you shouldn't believe it, and if your proof doesn't stand up to examination and testing by others, then it's not proof. It's just wishful thinking.

                  Letting a book of unsubstantiated fiction control how you live your life seems to me to be a cop-out and one of the dumbest things anyone can do. It's like living your life by a V.C. Andrews novel. It's ridiculous.
                  Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                  Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                  Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                  My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                  • #39
                    I hear where you are coming from Griff, and people I consider irrational irritate the living piss out of me. That said, it seems that for some people here the second religion/spirituality is mentioned they get as upset as a vegan at a beef convention. I'd like to think we are better than that. Who cares why someone thinks grain is okay? Just say why it isn't - use science/logic/voodoo/whatever-the-f*ck-you-like and go on about your business.

                    I've been here a bit over a month and like the fact that most people are very welcoming. I read about vegan sites where the mere mention of PB gets you branded an evil heretic to be burned at the 100% animal-product free stake and shake my head at the closemindedness. Lets not let religion/spirtuality be our version of that. People can be happily PB and religious. Don't take it as a personal insult man. Keep kicking ass and let people believe what they want to believe, as long as they don't try to force you to buy into it as well.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                      IKeep kicking ass and let people believe what they want to believe, as long as they don't try to force you to buy into it as well.
                      In my experience, people who are religious are almost always going to try to force me to buy into it as well. If my rudeness on this topic keeps them from trying, that - for me - is a win. It's sort of like my warning flare: Don't go there with me, because I will do my best to rip your belief system into tiny little shreds. Too many people think it's okay to push their religious beliefs on me; I'm here to say don't even try it.
                      Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                      Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                      Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                      My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Griff View Post
                        To me, "the bible says so" is about as valid as "My book of Mother Goose rhymes says so." Frankly, I don't care that they take it seriously. My point is that they SHOULDN'T, because it's not factual, nor is it relevant to today's issues and problems. At best, it's just a book of fiction and somewhat questionable history - at worst, it's just flat-out propaganda. And the problem is, way too many of them then take that next step and say "And if you don't believe it then you're a BAD PERSON!" - that "desire to save the unsaved" that you were talking about.

                        It offends me that anyone thinks that book is anything other than fiction. The fact that they have the right to believe whatever nonsense they want to believe doesn't enter into it. I'm still going to call it what it is: fiction. And yes, that may be rude, but about this issue, I don't care. This is one thing I'm going to continue to challenge, because it's one of the biggest social obstacles to rational thinking and logical assessment of the world, and it needs to stop. If you can't prove it, you shouldn't believe it, and if your proof doesn't stand up to examination and testing by others, then it's not proof. It's just wishful thinking.

                        Letting a book of unsubstantiated fiction control how you live your life seems to me to be a cop-out and one of the dumbest things anyone can do. It's like living your life by a V.C. Andrews novel. It's ridiculous.
                        faith is belief without proof. religion is based on faith. it's pretty simple.
                        you're argument here makes you a complete jackass.
                        journal

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Kay Exeye View Post
                          faith is belief without proof. religion is based on faith. it's pretty simple.
                          you're argument here makes you a complete jackass.
                          Belief without proof is both stupid and foolhardy. You think it's a smart thing to do? More power to you - but don't try to convince me that it is, because I will point and laugh. I've had it with religious people thinking that their "faith" somehow makes them superior. In my opinion, it makes them stupid - you included. If that makes me a jackass, so be it. At least I'm not a sheep being led around by the nose.

                          There is an ignore function on this forum. You may feel free to use it, since my pointing out the facts about your religion upsets you so much.
                          Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

                          Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


                          Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

                          My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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                          • #43
                            Hey OP, sorry there are so many religiously intolerant folks on here. I was raised LDS - haven't practiced for 20 years, don't believe, but my family is active and I understand it. I don't think that religious belief really has any bearing on what is healthy for you though, and I don't see how it's relevant to a decision to eat oats or not. Only cutting out gluten grains entirely for a month or so will tell you if you can handle them or not. I was stunned, stunned, to find out how much healthier I could be without them and I didn't have a clue my entire life that I was gluten intolerant. Give it a try, keep an open mind.
                            If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Griff View Post
                              Belief without proof is both stupid and foolhardy. You think it's a smart thing to do? More power to you - but don't try to convince me that it is, because I will point and laugh. I've had it with religious people thinking that their "faith" somehow makes them superior. In my opinion, it makes them stupid - you included. If that makes me a jackass, so be it. At least I'm not a sheep being led around by the nose.

                              There is an ignore function on this forum. You may feel free to use it, since my pointing out the facts about your religion upsets you so much.
                              And Griff, you are officially an A-hole at this point. If I were going to bother to "ignore" people here, I would definitely ignore you.
                              Self-righteous immature know it all turd bucket.
                              If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Griff View Post
                                Belief without proof is both stupid and foolhardy. You think it's a smart thing to do? More power to you - but don't try to convince me that it is, because I will point and laugh. I've had it with religious people thinking that their "faith" somehow makes them superior. In my opinion, it makes them stupid - you included. If that makes me a jackass, so be it. At least I'm not a sheep being led around by the nose.

                                There is an ignore function on this forum. You may feel free to use it, since my pointing out the facts about your religion upsets you so much.
                                for the record i am not christian, nor do i belong to any organized religion.
                                i just think you are completely out line as hate speech is never appropriate nor should it be tolerated.
                                journal

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