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  • Can I get some 'splainin!!

    This blog keeps my mind spinnin, kinda liek the Weightology blog, anyone read the latest entry on insulin resistance?

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2010/...s-v-frayn.html
    Get on my Level
    http://malpaz.wordpress.com/

  • #2
    Just makes me think "WE (humans) DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING YET!"

    And it makes me feel that health authorities need to slow down (maybe all the way to stopping entirely) on issuing dietary advice until we do understand it all better, and doctors need to slow down on the mass-medication of everyone. That's the main message I've got from GCBC so far (1/2 way through)....governments and doctors have jumped the gun and experimented on us all based on partial, inconsistent evidence.
    Liz.

    Zone diet on and off for several years....worked, but too much focus on exact meal composition
    Primal since July 2010...skinniest I've ever been and the least stressed about food

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    • #3
      Sure.

      GCBC is the Paleotard's version of the Vegametarian's China Study.

      Gary cherry picked information that supported his THEORY just like Campbell.

      I have often wondered why people hold it up as scripture to be taken literally. Then I wonder if they have even read the book?

      I think if you read the book with an open mind you get alot of food for thought. If you read the book expecting the answers to all your lifes problems you walk away with a distorted take.

      It is good to see some Teh Insulinz Voodoo a la GCBC looked at a different way.
      Don't be a paleotard...

      http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

      http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

      http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

      http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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      • #4
        @Malpaz

        This carbsanity sight is pretty good. Thanks for the find!
        Don't be a paleotard...

        http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

        http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

        http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

        http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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        • #5
          It was exactly when I started reading about lipotoxicity (what she's talking about) that I changed my mind about the carbohydrate hypothesis and Taubes's book. Taubes wrote that insulin makes one fat by trapping fat inside fat cells, but then I found out that (1) in obese people fat is NOT trapped inside fat cells, quite the contrary; (2) fat being trapped inside fat cells is a GOOD thing, necessary for proper carbohydrate metabolism and fat storage (you need to store some fat after all); (3) there is a lot of evidence that points towards this not-properly-stored fat being the cause of insulin resistance in muscles and liver. Mind you, no one has said that dietary fat is bad, just that fat in the blood at the time it shouldn't be there is bad.
          Height: 5'4" (1.62 m)
          Starting weight (09/2009): 200 lb (90.6 kg)
          No longer overweight (08/2010): 145 lb (65.6 kg)
          Current weight (01/2012): 127 lb (57.5 kg)

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          • #6
            Thanks, MalPaz, for posting this here. I read it the other day and found it both interesting and alarming.

            I am overweight, have struggled for quite some time to lose the weight, and recently learned I am pre-diabetic. As a result, I've reduced carbs, essentially by nearly eliminating grains. I would not say I am very low carb; I am getting about 20% of my calories from carbs, 20% from protein, and 60% from fat.

            My post-prandial readings are fine when I eat this way. If I eat a bagel or something sweet, like a cookie, readings approach diabetic levels. Fasting glucose, however, has increased since I reduced carbs. I also have pericardial fat, which has been there since at least 2004. I did not connect the two (pre-diabetes and pericardial fat) until I read her posts on lipotoxicity.

            Eating lower carb has helped me finally lose weight, though I still have about 30 pounds to go, and I do feel much better. But I wonder if I should cut back the fat to about 50%. I really don't know ... it seems the important thing is to burn excess body fat so fat will store properly in my fat cells and not elsewhere, like around my heart. I wonder if the pericardial fat will go away eventually. Yep, my mind is spinning.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by chima_p View Post
              Sure.

              GCBC is the Paleotard's version of the Vegametarian's China Study.

              Gary cherry picked information that supported his THEORY just like Campbell.

              I have often wondered why people hold it up as scripture to be taken literally. Then I wonder if they have even read the book?
              Elaborate. Do you have studies that he avoided or more specific points?

              Edit: If you want to facilitate discussion you need to support what you are saying, much like the linked blog did.
              Last edited by lcme; 10-26-2010, 12:16 PM.

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                place marker
                Last edited by Sam Cree; 10-26-2010, 08:30 PM.

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                • #9
                  ...but I thought we were talking about the linked blog.

                  Also, I suck at elaborating.
                  Don't be a paleotard...

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

                  http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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                  • #10
                    and apparently using the "quote" function.
                    Don't be a paleotard...

                    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...oxidation.html

                    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...torage-qa.html

                    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...rn-fat-qa.html

                    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

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                    • #11
                      As best as I can tell, both are supporting a lower carb/controlled carb diet.....they're just fighting over the mechanism by which fat storage occurs.

                      Frankly, I couldn't care less what the mechanism is. (unless it has to do with vitamin d - lol) That's the nice thing about eating in line with our evolutionary programming. If we do that, the metabolic health, and therefor weight, will (generally) fall into place.


                      [QUOTE=sf40;249587]Thanks, MalPaz, for posting this here. I read it the other day and found it both interesting and alarming.

                      I am overweight, have struggled for quite some time to lose the weight, and recently learned I am pre-diabetic. As a result, I've reduced carbs, essentially by nearly eliminating grains. I would not say I am very low carb; I am getting about 20% of my calories from carbs, 20% from protein, and 60% from fat.

                      My post-prandial readings are fine when I eat this way. If I eat a bagel or something sweet, like a cookie, readings approach diabetic levels. Fasting glucose, however, has increased since I reduced carbs.[=quote]

                      This is one of the reasons that Curt Harris (PaNu) recommends lowering protein and increasing fat. Protein is also insulinogenic but 6-8 hours post prandially rather than 1-2 hours post prandially like carbs. The rise in fasting blood glucose may be attributable to this phenomenon...worth tracking for a bit via food diary.

                      it seems the important thing is to burn excess body fat so fat will store properly in my fat cells and not elsewhere, like around my heart. I wonder if the pericardial fat will go away eventually. Yep, my mind is spinning.
                      Don't be confused


                      No one is arguing that controlling carbs *isn't* a good thing.
                      No one is arguing that optimal blood sugar is not a sign of metabolic health.

                      We don't know everything that there is to know about our physiology so the best we can do is behave (and eat) in a way that aligns with our evolutionary past.



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