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  • #76
    Originally posted by joerandom28 View Post
    Out of curiosity, would you mind posting some links? Again, I'm by no means calling it strictly anecdotal, or even anecdotal at all, I'm calling the scientific evidence incomplete and necessarily based on very limited information.
    This is not the one I has in mind, but my books are temporarily in Guatemala...
    http://www.suite101.com/content/prim...t-race-a315499 and this one
    http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/...-anat-8b.shtml
    Last edited by Adrianag; 12-16-2010, 06:30 PM.

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    • #77
      Hello! I am new here and I am very curious about the Paleo lifestyle. It is well known that people in Paleo times had much shorter lifespan. Why do you choose to follow that kind of lifestyle? Thank you very much for your kind answers.

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      • #78
        i don't plan on being eaten by a bear or wolf and if i break a bone or badly cut myself, i have a doctor to keep me a live
        beautiful
        yeah you are

        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
        lol

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Sassy View Post
          So was I....guess what fixed it.
          quitting?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sigune View Post
            Hello! I am new here and I am very curious about the Paleo lifestyle. It is well known that people in Paleo times had much shorter lifespan. Why do you choose to follow that kind of lifestyle? Thank you very much for your kind answers.
            Part 1: Just How Long Did Grok Live, Really? | Mark's Daily Apple
            Part 2: Life Expectancy in Hunter-Gatherers | Mark's Daily Apple
            Further musings, just because: Why Did Grok Live So Long? | Mark's Daily Apple
            In short, age-at-death estimates for adults are based on bone density, but hunter-gatherers would have far better bone health than we do today; infant and child mortality (no longer a problem) brought the average way down; and modern hunter-gatherers who survive to adulthood reach 70 about half the time, with the biggest killer being infectious disease (again, not a problem for us).

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            • #81
              wow...necroing a 3 year old thread for your first troll post! bravo....

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              • #82
                that sort of dedication should maybe be rewarded

                give 'em a dollar
                beautiful
                yeah you are

                Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                lol

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                • #83
                  I am immediately suspicious of anyone who proclaims that a diet based almost exclusively on meat, fish, vegetables and fruit can be bad for you.
                  Meat is Prized, Wheat is Despised.

                  Real Food - The REAL staff of life

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                  • #84
                    Re: "A paleo lifestyle is not sustainable on a global scale, given our overpopulated world."

                    Q: How do you over quickly populate the city with pigeons? (and have bird crap everywhere)
                    A: Allow people to artificially feed them with grains and bread (animals populate/multiply to the available feed - and cause environmental imbalances if done artificially like this)

                    Q: How do you quickly over populate the world with people (over a few generations) ???? - Any guesses???

                    Perhaps grain is the cause of the problem, NOT the answer to the problem.

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                    • #85
                      Even if we do not know entirely what a paleolithic diet contained and even if it varied for many humans globally, there is enough research and evidence to show that after the introduction of agriculture (grains and lots of beans D: ) and society, we deffinately became weaker and had stunted growth.
                      Not to mention, we went from living with the land to living against it which is in my opinion the worst mistake made ever.
                      I believe modern society and way of life will eventually collapse because it is in no way sustainable.
                      I feel so isolated as every day I search for others like me, I havn't found them yet but I will one day...

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                      • #86
                        Hi everyone, this is my first post here.

                        I've been eating a paleo diet for approximately 3 years now and I'm sure like many of you do, I am always surfing the net looking for more info on diet/nutrition and opposing views / research to help refine my own thoughts on what works best. Having at one point been a strict vegetarian and now made a complete turn around, I try not to hold onto any dietary belief to firmly.

                        That being said, I recently came across the following site and some interesting posts/videos made on there addressing a link between leaky gut and meat/ saturated fat consumption. The findings seem to be a heavy criticism of the paleo diet and I'd appreciate any insight/comment other members may have.

                        The Leaky Gut Theory of Why Animal Products Cause Inflammation | NutritionFacts.org

                        If this has already been addressed previously, my apologies.

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                        • #87
                          ^Vegan propaganda. Please read this comment (right on that site) from prominent poster "Stabby the Raccoon":



                          The notion that dietary fat causes endothelial dysfunction is only a conditional truth, not a necessary one.

                          Most people have poor lipid metabolism. Maybe if you don't have poor lipid metabolism you don't get lipotoxicity of the endothelium when you eat fat, and the fact that low carbohydrate diets don't cause endothelial damage supports that because they improve lipid metabolism. 2011 August : Johns Hopkins University – The Gazette...

                          But say you do have poor lipid metabolism and don't want to eat low carb or low fat? Are you screwed until you improve your lipid metabolism? Not really, it looks like having enough nitric oxide around to help properly dilate the blood vessels and having high levels of endogenous and exogenous antioxidants totally prevents this phenomenon, rendering it a total moot point.

                          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

                          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

                          Also omega-3 will automatically improve fatty acid oxidation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... probably by enhancing PPAR activity.

                          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

                          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

                          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

                          So basically everything prevents lipids from damaging the arteries. If your arteries don`t function properly and can't respond to changes in the contents of circulation than you may have a problem. I can't stress enough the notion of context. Some nutrients prevent damage to the body, and some of them do it by helping the body transport other nutrients safely. You always want to go look for things that falsify your hypothesis and show that a nutrient is not harmful under certain circumstances, especially circumstances that we should be obtaining anyway like exercising, eating foods with antioxidants, getting enough nitric oxide precursors, etc.

                          As for endotoxemia, it is true that dietary fat can potentially cause leaky gut, and so can glucose (I'm not seeing any suggestions to stop eating whole wheat bread though...) but orange juice doesn't. Why? The researchers have figures this out, during their digestion macronutrients produce oxidative stress which damages the gut lining, and so orange juice with its high concentration of flavanoids will prevent this and then some. Does that mean switch your fat and bread to orange juice only? Well no, you could have all 3 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... Orange juice, a piece of toast, and eggs for breakfast, without endotoxemia? Gasp!

                          You could easily find this paper in the side bar on pubmed where the paper in the video was taken from. Imagine that! It looks like it is desirable to have something rich in antioxidants during a meal, and everyone should be doing this, so it becomes a moot point whether or not glucose of fat will cause leaky gut by themselves. It's easily preventable, and everyone who has a good diet will be unscathed by glucose and fat. Spices, vegetables, fruits, all of that can be expected to protect the gut lining from normal damage during a meal.

                          One tip that I picked up for going to parties where they serve food without antioxidants is to carry some grape seed extract or resveratrol in my pocket http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

                          I am glad to have been able to save you all from a fat-less, glucose-without-antioxidant-less existence.


                          > And Stabby Drops the mic.... PEACE!

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                            wow...necroing a 3 year old thread for your first troll post! bravo....
                            This means that they used the search function instead of creating a new thread. If they had created a new thread it would have been "First post is a repost! Wow!" or something to that effect. Catch 22.
                            The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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                            • #89
                              Too high in PUFAs; vegetables not all that.

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                              • #90
                                drink beer and eat plenty of red meat you would be rewarded with high blood pressure and cholestrol problems
                                Last edited by AureliaWaterman; 05-21-2013, 12:33 AM.

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