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  • "I was wrong about veganism. Let them eat meat – but farm it properly"

    This will not be an easy column to write. I am about to put down 1,200 words in support of a book that starts by attacking me and often returns to this sport. But it has persuaded me that I was wrong. More to the point, it has opened my eyes to some fascinating complexities in what seemed to be a black and white case.

    A must read: http://bit.ly/cqzNrK
    “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
    "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
    "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

  • #2
    Thank you.
    Recovering vegetarians could use a support/yahoo group or something.

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    • #3
      Veganism has another serious problem. Their Gallbladders which require regular fatty foods to function can atrophy on a vegetarian diet, leading to Gallstones and to surgery to remove the gallbladder.
      http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/gallstones.html

      The human being spent 2 million years eating fatty meat, and was never intended to be a vegan.

      Much more here on Gallstones:
      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...read.php?15087

      Grizz
      Last edited by Grizz; 09-15-2010, 10:39 AM.

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      • #4
        Have a word with yourself birdie

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        • #5
          Posted it to my Facebook and already my vegan friends are up in arms about it.
          Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

          Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


          Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

          My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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          • #6
            Thanks, SS. Just posted to my facebook too.



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            • #7
              This went straight up on my Twitter and Facebook pages... great link.
              Are you a college student, trying to navigate college while being Primal? Do you know any other PB college students on a tight budget? Heck, for that matter, are YOU trying to live Primal on a budget? Enroll at Primal University!

              For after all what is man in nature? A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
              -- Blaise Pascal

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              • #8
                Cue vehement vegan rage ESPLOSION. Insert hyperbolic statements about genocide and malevolent puppy torture combined with self-righteous condescension and personal attacks.

                B-b-b-b-but if being a vegan doesn't automatically make me a better person than everyone else, whatever will I do?

                edit: also I love how they think that feeding humans what feedlot cows eat is a good idea. Hey but I guess if you're a martyr then you better do it right and make it hurt.
                Last edited by Stabby; 09-15-2010, 06:54 PM.
                Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                • #9
                  I was a vegan for about 1 1/2 years, because I'm very much into animal rights (and I love veggies). But I failed to thrive on it and a lot of the health problems which were compounded and made worse (which I now understand was from eating all that grain). I returned to eating meat and after some adjustment, I felt much better with less problems. Switching to Primal cleared up all those health problems for good and I THRIVE on it.

                  I bought a few meat rabbits for $10 the other day and had to kill and butcher them myself (first time for me). And I hated doing it. It's not easy reconciling being a predator and a compassionate and aware being who loves animals.

                  But at the same time, I feel good knowing my dog and I are eating fresh, natural, ethically raised meat. Being unemployed and with very little money, $10 for three rabbits that will feed me and the dog wholesome for two weeks was too good to pass up. And I hardly wasted anything. The blood, organs, heads, and feet went to the dog, the roasts are in the freezer for me, and the pelts will be tanned and sold to friends of mine who can use them for art and clothing projects.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Longtail4711 View Post
                    I was a vegan for about 1 1/2 years, because I'm very much into animal rights (and I love veggies). But I failed to thrive on it and a lot of the health problems which were compounded and made worse (which I now understand was from eating all that grain). I returned to eating meat and after some adjustment, I felt much better with less problems. Switching to Primal cleared up all those health problems for good and I THRIVE on it.

                    I bought a few meat rabbits for $10 the other day and had to kill and butcher them myself (first time for me). And I hated doing it. It's not easy reconciling being a predator and a compassionate and aware being who loves animals.

                    But at the same time, I feel good knowing my dog and I are eating fresh, natural, ethically raised meat. Being unemployed and with very little money, $10 for three rabbits that will feed me and the dog wholesome for two weeks was too good to pass up. And I hardly wasted anything. The blood, organs, heads, and feet went to the dog, the roasts are in the freezer for me, and the pelts will be tanned and sold to friends of mine who can use them for art and clothing projects.
                    you are the most courageous ex-vegan I ever heard of!! you killed them yourself?! you go girl, all my respect to you!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Griff View Post
                      Posted it to my Facebook and already my vegan friends are up in arms about it.
                      Griff: - Never afraid to chuck a carrot at the rabid rabbits of veganism!
                      La tristesse durera toujours...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Longtail4711 View Post
                        I was a vegan for about 1 1/2 years, because I'm very much into animal rights (and I love veggies). But I failed to thrive on it and a lot of the health problems which were compounded and made worse (which I now understand was from eating all that grain). I returned to eating meat and after some adjustment, I felt much better with less problems. Switching to Primal cleared up all those health problems for good and I THRIVE on it.

                        I bought a few meat rabbits for $10 the other day and had to kill and butcher them myself (first time for me). And I hated doing it. It's not easy reconciling being a predator and a compassionate and aware being who loves animals.

                        But at the same time, I feel good knowing my dog and I are eating fresh, natural, ethically raised meat. Being unemployed and with very little money, $10 for three rabbits that will feed me and the dog wholesome for two weeks was too good to pass up. And I hardly wasted anything. The blood, organs, heads, and feet went to the dog, the roasts are in the freezer for me, and the pelts will be tanned and sold to friends of mine who can use them for art and clothing projects.
                        How does your dog typically eat? I wonder if dogs need a transition period from store bought "dry" foods to meats, especially raw meats... I'll do some research, my girlfriend has a dog but it never eats regular food. It's this cardboard colored pebbles that she puts some water on and that's it. The dog seems to eat out of pure necessity, never enjoyment like the street dogs I grew up with that ate all our leftovers. Those dogs ATE like men that had been working all day, this one barely gets excited.

                        Edit: Same story with her cat actually, but the cat is pretty old now, 16 years so transitioning to a raw meat diet might be too much. At least she eats what appears to be some type of canned fish. It's supposed to be medicated, but it also eats dry foods, it's so odd to watch. I showed my gf footage from when I was in Peru last month. I took my camera to the markets and purposely got video of cats and dogs hanging by the butchers and eating the fat and meat that fell on the floor. She had never seen this before.
                        I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                        • #13
                          I'm a recovering vegetarian... As of about 4 weeks ago when I came across Mark's site and decided to finally go primal all the way. I still don't enjoy meat but I eat it because I know it's good for me. However, unlike most veggies, I enjoy killing and butchering animals Have lived on a farm all my life and have no problems with that, I just had never eaten meat so it was just a "I don't like meat" thing in my head. Thankfully we have a steer we raised in the freezer, just got to get a bunch of chickens to butcher. Awesome job butchering the rabbits, we tried that a few years ago, raising rabbits. Didn't have very much luck with them, for some reason they wouldn't breed, but we did butcher a few. I'm working on buying a couple lambs to butcher, my husband says lamb is delicious, I'm looking forwards to try it

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