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  • #16
    Originally posted by primal4ever View Post
    New here. What is CW?
    Conventional Wisdom

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    • #17
      Just look at Oprah. She makes me look stable & confident. Oz is no dummie, I would love to see him in a debate with Cordain, Wolff, or Sisson. That would be awesome. Oz is a great conveyor of "modern" medicine. He is popular because he says the right things. Most people switch doctors when they dont like what they have to say. I read his books, & they helped me tremendously prior to PB. I will be sticking with a Primal lifestyle until further notice.
      "Don't dream it, be it"

      -Dr. Frank-N-Furter

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Lovestoclimb View Post
        There's a great series on youtube that has Gary Taubes, Dr. Oz, and Dean Ornish. Gary Taubes is awesome in those. The others just have no clue...especially the lady (can't remember who she is off hand)
        The lady in question is Barbara Howard,chairperson of the American Heart Association.

        Watch all the videos,i think there is five,and see her digging a big hole for herself.

        She is one prize donut.

        You are absolutely spot on,Gary Taubes IS awesome.
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        • #19
          my mother watches dr. oz on a regular basis and i am unfortunate enough to catch it some of the time. he, like other tv show hosts, is into scaring people. i can always tell what he (or the today show) is talking about by what my mother's latest fear is. the other day he did a whole show about intestinal worms. guess what? my mom talked about it for days. other show topics or headlines i've seen from his show include subject matter like - if you use lip gloss you're ingesting 5 lbs of lard per year...stuff like that. it's the same with all media. you aren't going to attract a huge audience with lead ins like "eat more fruit and vegetables and walk some at night time" but stuff like "is your lip gloss killing you?!?!?" will grab the attention of just about anybody. when i read dr. oz well respected doctor, i think dr. phil well respected psychologist? um no. not so much.
          i will maintain the truth
          i knew naturally as a child
          i won't forfeit my creativity
          to a world that's all laid out for me
          i'll look at everything around me
          and i will vow to bear in mind
          that all of this was just someone's idea
          it could just as well be mine - ani difranco

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          • #20
            My experience with doctors (I almost married one, dated another, and have been friends with a few) is that they don't know any more about nutrition/healthy living than anyone else. They *do* know about surgery (of course, specialisations vary), and depending on specialisations may know about tropical diseases, infections, and various other tidbits that are well worth knowing. Basically they are great people to have with you when you're ALREADY in trouble. As far as prevention and living healthily they're probably the worst people to talk to.

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            • #21
              I think his wife was a huge influence in his veghead eating style. She's been a vegetarian since age 15 and has mentioned that she continually nudges him in the vegetarian direction. According to her, he is not total vegetarian yet. She is working to change that.

              I enjoy Dr. Oz's TV show but go crazy when he starts talking low fat and vegan. I can't believe the bulk of his audience is veg or vegan either. He would do his viewers a better service if he encouraged eating local foods, sustainable fishes/seafood, grass-fed meats, etc.
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              • #22
                Wow, I started this thread (question) about Dr. Oz. I was excited and suprised to see what lively postings it sparked!
                I'm new to PB eating, and have had the book now for a couple of weeks. I am encouraged by what I've read & heard
                so far, and have already lost about 3-4 lbs by my walking/sprinting/grain-free changes.
                I took the suggestions about reviewing Dr. Oz and his discussions with Taubes, Ornish & the AHA lady.
                I had a little different opinion of Mr. Taubes. He may be right-on with his scientific findings and advice about nutrition,
                I won't dispute that. But I had a hard time with his smug, sarcastic and better-than-thou personality. He is SOOOO off-putting,
                and I'd like to suggest to him that if he would just get off his high horse with the attitude, he would be in a much better
                position to influence others. People are also very hard on Dr. Oz and perhaps he is a celebrity hound. That could be
                true. But in professional presence and diplomacy, he's got it going on. I mean, Taubes is so snarky.. Did you hear in the
                Youtube video's (4 of 5 I believe) his interrupting Ornish with saying over and over, "just keep it honest, keep it honest,
                keep it honest." Ornish could be way off nutritionally but he had several good points and he's done his due diligence. He
                remained calm and diplomatic throughout while Taubes acted like every time anyone had a rebuttal he was being
                condemned to life on death row... That said, the guy seems incredibly prepared, well researched and is probably off
                the ricter scale IQ wise. I'd like to hear a more layman's approach with some humility that's all. I'm sure some might
                disagree with my appraisal of him, but if you see these tapes and really look at his body language...WOW, he could use
                a few social skills along with those degrees!

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                • #23
                  A thought/ question -
                  http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=dean+ornish
                  What happened to Ornish's hair? Did he just stop dyeing it dark brown? Is it normal for dark hair to change to that russet colour?

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                  • #24
                    Oz at least looks fit - Ornish looks a little tubby to me. Weil, Artemis stamopolos (I might have her last name wrong) who invented the Mediterranean diet), Barry Sears - all tubby or fat! Compare that to Mark Sisson, Kurt Harris of PaNu, or Loren Cordain. All are lean and fit.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mica
                      After my gastroenterologist told me to "eat a KitKat" in order to gain some weight, I pretty much tossed aside any belief that doctors (especially doctors who specialize in human digestion) have any clue about what is healthiest for us. They don't know jack about nutrition. And btw, I see a gastroenterologist because of an IBD - the idea that you would recommend to someone with severely compromised digestion to eat a KitKat bar is so completely backwards I don't even know where to begin.
                      This just reminded me a consultation with an acclaimed dietitian who suggested I have a scoop or two of ice cream for supper. I was seeing her because I wanted to lose weight by the way.

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                      • #26
                        Reminds me of the NHS dietician who told my Mum to avoid anything made from milk (I asked whether she meant just the lactose, and she said, no, everything in milk) and in the next breath reminded her to keep consuming her prescribed weight-gain drinks. Principle protein in the drinks? Casein.

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                        • #27
                          Its because MDs rarely do the research itself, they simply misinterpret the research that is done by people who are actually trained in proper research: most PhD programs.

                          I bet that you can get better nutritional advice from a PhD in biology, biochemistry, or a related health field than any MD.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Hilary View Post
                            A thought/ question -
                            http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=dean+ornish
                            What happened to Ornish's hair? Did he just stop dyeing it dark brown? Is it normal for dark hair to change to that russet colour?
                            Ahaha. We have the prettier old geezer health author.
                            Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                            Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by cerebelumsdayoff View Post
                              Its because MDs rarely do the research itself, they simply misinterpret the research that is done by people who are actually trained in proper research: most PhD programs.

                              I bet that you can get better nutritional advice from a PhD in biology, biochemistry, or a related health field than any MD.
                              Nah, they're generally going to have a rather narrow view based on their research area. They aren't going to have a broad, integrated knowledge of research in hundreds or thousands of lines of inquiry. They often are not going to have the knowledge of general physiology and pathology needed to make the bridge between bench science and clinical practice. Actually, that bridge is generally addressed in clinical trials, which in fact are headed by MDs. But obviously, a person can't practice medicine all day and be a research scientist all day.

                              It really should be the province of nutritionists to have this detailed, integrated knowledge. What a shame it isn't.

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                              • #30
                                I have watched Dr Oz one time, and, while he did have a few smart things to say, he also embarked on such an obviously 'junk science' experiment to 'prove' an idea, I've never watched him again.
                                sigpicI'm not old, I'm Vintage!

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