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  • ^ Huh. I believe I read somewhere that all the vitamins and minerals (calcuim etc. etc.) are mostly in the full fat stuff. Skim milk has less vitamins and minerals because apparently when the milk is skimmed, they get taken out as well.
    Just something I read, though. Might not be true.

    CW-moment:
    I decided to see what the "Schijf van Vijf" (the Dutch recommandations for a "balanced" meal) was for me.
    I only had to fill in my age and gender. Not my weight or activity level... (Why not??? Isn't that important? According to the Dutch "Voedingscentrum" carbs are a good source of energy. If I were active on an athletic level, shouldn't I eat more "healthy carbs"?? (mind you, with carbs they mean Potatoes, bread, rice and pasta, not veggies)

    Well, let's see what they have to say:
    Female, 18 yrs old:
    200 grams of vegetables and fruit. (2 pieces of fruit and 4 serving spoons of veggies) well, okay. Not so bad if you ignore the fruit.
    225 grams of carbs (4-5 servings spoons). Blerg. No thanks!
    20 grams of cheese (1 slice.) One frickin' slice. Hello?!?! I thought cheese was supposed to be healthy according to you guys?
    600 ml of milk products (I have no idea how many glasses of milk that would be)
    100-125 grams of meat, fish, chicken eggs and meat substitudes. (I'm starving, guys. I'm starving!!! Gimme my fat!!)
    15 grams of cooking oils/butter. (Which would be about 1 tablespoon. For the entire day.) What do I cook my veggies in, when I've already used that tablespoon for my meat/fish??
    30 grams of halvarine (the fake butter. I'm not even commenting on this one.)
    1000-1500 ml of water. About 1-1.5 litres. That's just about the only thing I agree with, LOL.
    "Bread-Bread-Dinner
    It ain't makin' me any thinner
    I eat a sandwich for break-fast
    And then I have a sugar blast!
    I eat toasted bread for lunch
    And enjoy my mid-day crunch!
    At dinner I eat pasta
    And end my day with a sugar disasta!"

    From the How am I not starving??? thread. Enjoy the read.

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      Originally posted by The_Introvert_Huntress View Post
      ^ Huh. I believe I read somewhere that all the vitamins and minerals (calcuim etc. etc.) are mostly in the full fat stuff. Skim milk has less vitamins and minerals because apparently when the milk is skimmed, they get taken out as well.
      Just something I read, though. Might not be true.
      There are vitamins and minerals in skim milk. Whether one's body can absorb it is a different issue. Fat soluble vitamins (D, E, etc) are only absorbed when taken with fat. Then vitamins are usually cofactors for enzymes processing minerals (ex: vit D & calcium) so those minerals won't be absorbed either in absence of fat, because the vitamins aren't.

      Same with spinach. Tons of nutrients there, but whether the human body can readily absorb it is a different story.

      Water soluble vitamins (B, C, etc) can be absorbed anytime. However, it also means excess gets flushed out instead of stored in body fat so to get a good nutritional profile of those over time one should eat a steady supply of food and supplements rich in those.


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      • Originally posted by orielwen View Post
        Not so much funny as sad: on another forum someone was saying that a Finnish friend of hers was horrified that UK advice is to feed children full fat dairy. Apparently in Finland they are told to feed their kids the skimmed stuff and
        make up the calories with vegetable oil!
        This is entirely true. There was a study done, I think in the early 1980s here, and I'd have to dig up the name because I can't remember it, but it essentially "proved" that all animal based products, especially dairy, was terrible for your heart health. I haven't actually read this study and knowing how the actual findings of studies get really twisted in the general public, I couldn't say if what the study actually found was a correlation/causality with dairy and heart disease or if there were other life style changes involved with the study groups. However, it's the single bane of our existence here. Every time eating full fat anything comes up when I visit my dad and his GF (especially if there are friends of the GF around as this is when she becomes really condescending) she refuses to listen to anything I have to say about nutrition or anything about my own personal diet based on this single study where the rate of heart disease supposedly decrease with the implementation of low fat food items.
        And a lot of people quote this same study. Especially if they're in the age group of 40-65. This has actually affected my family relations. I just don't think I need to take on that sort of negativity in my life.. even when it costs me a parent.

        So yeah, most of the milk sold in stores (and dairy products in general) is low fat or fat free. The milk served in schools is also low fat. Margarine or similar items are recommended by public health officials ALWAYS for weight loss, for treating high blood pressure and diabetes. And people are sicker than ever.
        But it must be all that fat they're secretly eating and lying about, right?
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        • Ok, the study that I couldn't remember the name was was the North Karelia Project. So not entirely a study but a multi-faceted project to enhance the general health of the inhabitants of North Karelia (area in the northern part of Finland, between Finland and Russia) that included distributing information on the health risks of smoking, heavy drinking, lack of exercise AND what was at the time known about nutrition and to also extend health care to as many people as possible. From what I've managed to quickly google, the project started in 1972 and included no comparison groups, but was generally considered a success and touted as a prime example of the benefits of low fat nutrition. Apparently the significance of the other variables were almost or entirely overlooked when drawing conclusions just that "we successfully lowered the LDL numbers of the North Karelian population".

          Apparently there were similar projects done in several other countries at the same time that yielded different kinds of results but these have been ignored. Yet another example of positive bias in study publication.

          The study has been published in English as The North Karelia project : from North Karelia to national action (by Pekka Puska et al.). I think I might want to take this out from my local library....
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          • Originally posted by BrainInABody View Post
            This is entirely true. There was a study done, I think in the early 1980s here, and I'd have to dig up the name because I can't remember it, but it essentially "proved" that all animal based products, especially dairy, was terrible for your heart health.
            Sounds like the china study & forks over knives.
            But when you actually read the studies themselves your like how the hell did they get that from the study

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            • 10 corporations that control almost everything you buy, this chart shows how:

              http://i.imgur.com/k0pv0.jpg


              um, but... I don't buy ANY of that stuff...

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              • Originally posted by PrimalMama View Post
                10 corporations that control almost everything you buy, this chart shows how:

                http://i.imgur.com/k0pv0.jpg
                In the center of that chart they should have an obese person because all those products (except for the personal care products) contribute to obesity.
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                • Originally posted by PrimalMama View Post
                  10 corporations that control almost everything you buy, this chart shows how:

                  http://i.imgur.com/k0pv0.jpg


                  um, but... I don't buy ANY of that stuff...
                  Nespresso is our espresso of choice for two years now. We gave up Starbucks and purchased a machine for the home. One of the best moves we ever made. Both from a financial standpoint, and a quality of espresso standpoint. Mmmmm! Can't get enough of that stuff.

                  We don't buy any other food on that chart (anymore).
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                  Starting Weight: 82kg (180 lbs) - Lost 30 lbs since going Primal!

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                  • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                    In the center of that chart they should have an obese person because all those products (except for the personal care products) contribute to obesity.
                    To be fair, Perrier and San Pellegrino don't contribute to obesity. XD
                    Out of context quote for the day:

                    Clearly Gorbag is so awesome he should be cloned, reproducing in the normal manner would only dilute his awesomeness. - Urban Forager

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                    • I had the big "whole egg" is bad for you discussion yesterday at work. So how my co-workers can't seem to get it in their head that cholesterol isn't all that bad for you...
                      It was pretty funny that they seem to think they are always right...
                      My story, My thought....

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                      • Originally posted by RittenRemedy
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                        Given, I don't know whether germ includes any gluten, and they are packaged, but it still looks funny to have them right next to each other.
                        Doesn't show yet. Tell me what's in the picture?
                        "Bread-Bread-Dinner
                        It ain't makin' me any thinner
                        I eat a sandwich for break-fast
                        And then I have a sugar blast!
                        I eat toasted bread for lunch
                        And enjoy my mid-day crunch!
                        At dinner I eat pasta
                        And end my day with a sugar disasta!"

                        From the How am I not starving??? thread. Enjoy the read.

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                        • Originally posted by The_Introvert_Huntress View Post
                          Doesn't show yet. Tell me what's in the picture?
                          It's a picture I took in the gluten free section with GF all purpose flour next the wheat germ.

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                          • Oh dear lord, gluten free products in the stores... almost every single item made over here and marketed as GF has gluten and wheat-based enhancers in it. Just... good grief people. Baking without gluten is not that hard! >_<
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                            • Originally posted by BrainInABody View Post
                              Oh dear lord, gluten free products in the stores... almost every single item made over here and marketed as GF has gluten and wheat-based enhancers in it. Just... good grief people. Baking without gluten is not that hard! >_<
                              What? Where is here and have they never heard of celiac? Don't they watch House? That shit kills babies.

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                              • Originally posted by MarielleGO View Post
                                I had the big "whole egg" is bad for you discussion yesterday at work. So how my co-workers can't seem to get it in their head that cholesterol isn't all that bad for you...
                                It was pretty funny that they seem to think they are always right...
                                When we know that it is WE that are always right!

                                Or.... bloodorchid.
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