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  • Certainly the UK has a bizarre children's food culture which seems to focus on processed foods and tricking children into eating healthily (eg questionable sugary drinks boasting that they are containing five a day as it is "too much to expect" them to actually like veggies so we have to disguise it as something else).

    There are very low expectations of kids' palates. An assumption that they have to be given snacks and treats all the time and that they will only eat foods that are bland or sweet. My friend's little boy likes olives,hummus and strong flavours like that. Cool kid.

    CW people have a weird relationship with food - almost like it is an enemy. Most people think that anything that tastes nice is bad for you. So healthy food must taste crap and eating healthy means deprivation and punishing yourself. The typical lunch in my office is a sandwich, a fizzy drink and a bag of crisps and maybe a fruit. Eating whilst typing away. Depressing.

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    • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
      The question is, when society suddenly decide that the whims of kids should be catered to with a menu of all junk food and sweetened beverages all the time rather than being served the same food the rest of the family was eating, and that they would taught to appreciate healthy food by their schools, or acquire an appreciation on their own later?
      We went out for dinner last night to a very nice italian restuarant, and sure enough there was the 'kids menu' with mac cheese, deep fried anything/everything, soda blah blah yuck! My kids (who aren't Primal but are healthy and reasonable) were happy for us to order from the adults menu for them and each had a sparkling water to drink. They were so pleased to have a special grown ups meal at a nice restuarant, and I suspect they ate more than they would have if we'd gone to MacDonalds.

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      • I have a 22 month-old son. We let him watch a couple TV shows during the day (he loves Mickey Mouse and superheroes). Other than that, he's playing and learning the rest of the day.

        On the Disney Jr. channel, they have a couple animated shorts in between their regular shows. One of them is called "The Bite-sized Adventures of Sam Sandwich". It's about a superhero sandwich and his vegetable sidekick (he's made out of vegetables!), who fight villains that try to get kids to eat junk fast food. The theme song starts "He's the hero made of bread..." *facepalm*

        While I applaud promoting "healthy eating", bread isn't on the list of "healthy".
        "Don't waste your time, or time will waste you."

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        • The Sam sandwich thing also gets on my nerves. It's too bad the broccoli needs to be the sidekick!

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          • Originally posted by Unicorn View Post
            The Sam sandwich thing also gets on my nerves. It's too bad the broccoli needs to be the sidekick!
            It should be "Sam Steak"!
            "Don't waste your time, or time will waste you."

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            • Originally posted by Lizzielou View Post
              We went out for dinner last night to a very nice italian restuarant, and sure enough there was the 'kids menu' with mac cheese, deep fried anything/everything, soda blah blah yuck! My kids (who aren't Primal but are healthy and reasonable) were happy for us to order from the adults menu for them and each had a sparkling water to drink. They were so pleased to have a special grown ups meal at a nice restuarant, and I suspect they ate more than they would have if we'd gone to MacDonalds.
              I'm lucky that my son has always preferred "real" food to kids meals. He's 13 now, but even when he was 5-6 he'd much rather have a steak or salmon than chicken fingers.

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              • Originally posted by stormcrow View Post
                I'm lucky that my son has always preferred "real" food to kids meals. He's 13 now, but even when he was 5-6 he'd much rather have a steak or salmon than chicken fingers.
                My 15 yr. old son is the same way. When he was at school (he's been unschooled since the 5th grade) the school would have a pizza party as a reward after testing, he never saw it as one.

                If you don't introduce kids to junk food early they don't have a preference for it. My son has always prefered strong flavored, real foods: aged cheeses, shitake mushrooms, grilled mackerel.
                Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                • I had an aunt, who used to always complain that her children would "only eat chips" (and other junk food). Strangely, when the cousins visited us on their own, they would come out into our garden and gather eggs from the hens, berries from the vines and vegetables from the greenhouse, and then help cook and eat a wholesome dinner with us. The aunt was pretty lazy and didn't do chores around the house, so we were pretty certain that she never offered them anything except packaged junk.

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                  • Originally posted by Cierra
                    How would this guy feel about actually good food, if he feels so strongly about this meal? I've never felt this way about any meal...

                    Hahaha. I love that video. Yes, his emotion seems to come from deep within.

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                    • One summer I had a hostess job at a restaurant. We had a kids' menu, with crayons and everything. Inevitably some parents would be insulted that I offered their kid the kids' menu... But then other parents wouldn't dream of having their 12 yr old order off the regular menu. It was so weird to see these older kids who clearly never eat anything but mac and cheese and hot dogs, even on vacation with their families. It made me wonder if their parents cook them a whole separate meal at home. Who needs that nonsense?

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                      • Confession.... I love a really good cheeseburger on a bun. And I feel like that guy does "DAYUM".

                        I've eaten like 3 cheeseburgers on buns with real beef in the last...20 years (from vegetarian to primal). They really are DAYUM. LIke my favorite food. As in, my last supper would be a giant cheeseburger on a bun with bacon, ketchup, pickles and duke;s mayo.

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                        • Originally posted by Cierra
                          I think your mistake is assuming that the parents who let their kids eat mac n' cheese and hot dogs all the time actually cook anything... When I was a kid, my parents always cooked a lot and incorporated me into making stuff in the kitchen, which got me interested in creating delicious, whole foods meals. I was proud of it, and always appreciated yummy vegetables and meat. But, my friend --unfortunately-- had parents who just let her eat whatever she wanted, whenever she wanted, without supervision. They'd buy plenty of packaged goods for themselves: ice cream, chips, hot dogs (with cheese already in the center, yummm) chocolate, etc. When she grew up, sadly, she never acquired an appreciation for real, whole foods. When we'd go out to eat together as a group, she'd always be the one to order off the kids menu, while I tried to search for something that was palatable to me.

                          It's no wonder that whenever I see her these days (about twice a year, since I moved. We've known each other for about 20 years now) and we go out to eat, she always orders something deep-fried, and with the least amount of veg as possible. She always mocks me a bit, in a good mannered sort of way, for ordering salads, or really simple foods on the menu. I also think it goes without saying that she is actually 100 pounds overweight, which makes me upset. She's such a wonderful person, and I know she tries to lose the weight but hasn't quite gotten it yet. It's deep rooted, for her, which says something really bad about these parents you speak of. :/ (... well now, this isn't really funny, is it.)
                          I really think that our diet is imprinted on us in our first few years of life. After that, few people have the flexibility to consider making a serious, permanent change to the way of eating they learned at home.

                          Parents expect the schools to teach their kids about healthy foods and how to make good choices, so the parents won't have to teach their kids themselves by setting a good example at home. But God forbid if schools stop serving corn chips with cheez wiz or french fries as a lunch option and trample on their little darlings' free choice!

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                          • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                            Confession.... I love a really good cheeseburger on a bun. And I feel like that guy does "DAYUM".

                            I've eaten like 3 cheeseburgers on buns with real beef in the last...20 years (from vegetarian to primal). They really are DAYUM. LIke my favorite food. As in, my last supper would be a giant cheeseburger on a bun with bacon, ketchup, pickles and duke;s mayo.
                            That is why I allow myself one non-primal day or meal per week. I'm not a big cheeseburger fan, but a good burger with tomato, onion, and garlic mayo, between a couple of slices of sourdough - DAYUM.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                            • Originally posted by Cierra
                              I think your mistake is assuming that the parents who let their kids eat mac n' cheese and hot dogs all the time actually cook anything... When I was a kid, my parents always cooked a lot and incorporated me into making stuff in the kitchen, which got me interested in creating delicious, whole foods meals. I was proud of it, and always appreciated yummy vegetables and meat. But, my friend --unfortunately-- had parents who just let her eat whatever she wanted, whenever she wanted, without supervision. They'd buy plenty of packaged goods for themselves: ice cream, chips, hot dogs (with cheese already in the center, yummm) chocolate, etc.
                              I also grew up with parents who always cooked from scratch with real ingredients. It was much easier back in the 60's for a mom to be a housewife instead of working in an office all day, and she had the time to prepare wholesome meals on a daily basis (I'm not casting judgement on women who choose to work, just stating fact). Today, I'm adamant to make sure our children have home cooked meals every day from quality ingredients. Having said that, I couldn't help but think of this very nice young girl who's a friend of our daughter, they're both 12 years old. Her mom basically never cooks. This poor (not monetarily) girl eats nothing but boxed mac n' cheese, hot dogs and frozen pizza. She has no concept of a home cooked meal. It's both sad and scary at the same time.

                              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                              I really think that our diet is imprinted on us in our first few years of life. After that, few people have the flexibility to consider making a serious, permanent change to the way of eating they learned at home.
                              I second that 1,000,000.00 times over. It's so important to shape the food pallet of our kids from day one. Their childhood memories should really be from quality food and then they always revert back to make the right choices later in life.
                              Last edited by ilovesteak; 04-23-2013, 10:51 AM.
                              "It's true, you are a good woman. Then again, you may be the antichrist."

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                              • Originally posted by ilovesteak View Post
                                I also grew up with parents who always cooked from scratch with real ingredients. It was much easier back in the 60's for a mom to be a housewife instead of working in an office all day, and she had the time to prepare wholesome meals on a daily basis (I'm not casting judgement on women who choose to work, just stating fact).
                                I grew up in the 60s. In our neighborhood, my mom, who worked (when most other housewives in the area didn't), was the only one who cooked meals from scratch. Families of my friends ate tv dinners most of the time.

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