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  • Originally posted by Corvidae View Post
    I think the greatest success of our marketting-based consumer culture has been training entire generations to believe everything they say.
    Quoted for goddamn truth. It's terrifying.

    _-J o u r n a l_--------- ---- ---- --- --- -- -- -

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    • Originally posted by sires6 View Post
      My husband took me out to dinner the other day. Now they (kids, hubby) usually complain about taking me out because I'm so difficult to feed (all I want is healthy). But my two teens were off doing something on their own and so it was just hubby and I. We went to Outback. So we get the crab appetizer. Okay, usually I can't eat anything, but that was fantastic. I could have eaten the whole thing myself. Crab, avacado, wasabi vinagrette. Anyway, so I ordered steak and sweet potato fries. My steak was pretty good, despite being a grain fed monstrosity (have you heard of the steak glue they are using for large cuts and the candy they are feeding now?)

      In comes the "warm from the oven" loaf of sugar/I mean bread that passes for an pre-appetizer. My husband proceeded to eat the entire loaf. And all the fried corn chips that were with the crab. And regular fries. And whipped cream covered ice cream over a brownie. And he complained of not feeling well.

      And the next day he said, "I don't understand why I don't have any energy. I feel so gassed all the time."

      The only thing that perturbed me was the fact they way over salted my meat (to get me to drink and eat more) and put sugar on my fries(as if sweet potatoes needed sugar). Ugh.

      Where is the sous vide beef heart I have in the fridge? Just thinking of the carb explosion, I need to eat something healthy... my home pastured eggs and heart sounds good.
      *Hint*
      When you go out always order your steak "unseasoned".
      There is enough residual seasoning on the grill from the rest of the steaks being tossed on there that there is plenty of salt on it for me every time... (I follow a low sodium diet).
      And then if you want a bit more... there is salt on the table.

      Same with all fries/sides...
      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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      • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
        Yep... salvage has been fed for a while now.
        I've previously heard mostly of discarded cereals like frootloops and crap... chewing gum as well...
        They will feed a "feed lot" steer anything they can get it to ingest that will add a pound to it's weight, they don't care it's it makes a good quality of meat/fat on the carcass or not.
        Yes and also pig farmers get salvage from bakeries and bagel shops and bread factories. They fatten up the hogs with BREAD. duh!?
        It makes me sad that people are trying hard to do the right thing but failing because they have the wrong information.
        Without question, bacon is the most interesting meat in the world, and if it were capable of original thought, we wouldn't even be having an election this November in America. We would simply appoint bacon as our forever leader and live dutifully under its rule.

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        • Originally posted by Gravyboat View Post

          At this point I would actually rather just not eat than go to most restaurants. The only notable exception is indian buffet. (Yes, thank you, I WILL eat 2 whole plates of chicken tikka masala, without rice, for $8.99 flat fee!)
          OK, now I am CRAVING Chicken Tikka Masala..... dang that sounds good right now!
          It makes me sad that people are trying hard to do the right thing but failing because they have the wrong information.
          Without question, bacon is the most interesting meat in the world, and if it were capable of original thought, we wouldn't even be having an election this November in America. We would simply appoint bacon as our forever leader and live dutifully under its rule.

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          • Originally posted by chumbert View Post
            Yes and also pig farmers get salvage from bakeries and bagel shops and bread factories. They fatten up the hogs with BREAD. duh!?
            Also very common... they have to be careful though... if they feed the hogs too high a percentage of their diet of the breads/pastries or don't at least stop the feedings and finish them for a while on grain... the fat comes out really BAD. Like soft and weird. Not firm fat like a pig should have. It can be a nearly useless carcass.
            It's horrible that this stuff has been tested and written about.

            I don't mind the guys who salvage and feed off/bruised/bad produce... I mean, better that it has some use.
            But the "cooked" (read: mostly fried) kitchen waste and breads/pastries are too much.
            They argue that salvaged bread and pastries = grain.
            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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            • Girls in my college... tuttut...

              One of them I overheard the other day: "If I could just live on diet coke and sushi forever, I'd be the most happiest person in the world!"

              Another one in the elevator today to her friend: "Oh I'm eating chocolate wafers, thats more healthy than chocolate."

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              • At work today, with a cake put out from a birthday yesterday: "Dont be afraid to eat the cake. It's better to eat carbs in the morning because you have all day to burn them off." The person who said this was not in good shape.

                I skip breakfast and delay lunch every day as part of my IF plan. I just filled my black coffee and walked away.

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                • Is there anything more depressing than someone drinking a can of soda and a can of "healthy" "low fat!!" soup for lunch? You know it's not going to hold them over (this guy is like 6'2" and kind of bulky even if he wasn't overweight), you know he's not really enjoying it.

                  I want to say something but I know it will not be met with any positive response.

                  Sorry that was not a funny story. I am just sad for him. And everyone.
                  yay!

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                  • How is a guy who is 6'2" trying to survive on coke and soup not funny?
                    In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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                    • Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                      IIRC most of the studies showing correlations between sat fats and inflammation use rat studies, with the Norway rats being most likely to become obese (and suffer related health problems). There's a gargantuan leap from correlational studies with rats to causal certitude in humans, and I also seem to recall detailed breakdown of the fats indicating possible confounds (presence of trans-fats, higher levels of sat fats AND carbohydrates).

                      What interests me is that diets high in omega-6 are inflammatory and inflammation can lead to insulin resistance. Of course, most omega-6 in the SAD is being delivered alongside a heady overdose of processed food carbohydrate, but it seems to me CW has it bass-ackwards to say sat fats are the devil, tra la la, let's substitute some healthy vegetable oil or canola oil. Barf.
                      Denise Minger did a great analysis of the study you are talking about here on MDA. The high fat rats were fed a completely manufactured diet high in hydrogenated coconut oils, sugar, corn starch, casein.

                      Hard to believe it wasn't a set up from the start.
                      ~rc

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                      • Was at the TMobile store the other day, and the guy behind the counter (who is very obese) says:

                        "Yeah I've been getting back to working out and eating healthy. I've been eating tons of Subway--I can't believe I haven't had any junk food in 5 days! It's so hard!"

                        If my mom hadn't been there with me I would've said something to him...not in a rude way, he's kind of a friend of ours, but keeping quiet doesn't help anybody. Poor guy, can't imagine how difficult it would be for him to "not eat junk food" if he realized that Subway was junk too!
                        "The mountains are calling and I must go."
                        --John Muir


                        "I don't know what's wrong with me, but I love this shit."
                        --Tommy Caldwell


                        ‎"Think like a geek. Eat like a hunter. Train like a fighter. Look like a model. Live beyond."
                        --Hyperlithic

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                        • A colleague of mine didn't know what a cucumber was....! I still can't get over that one!

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                          • I have some new business associates who give me the stinkeye when they want to go to lunch, and I say "Ok, but no fast food or Subway"

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                            • Unfortunately she probably got that from this article:
                              Cake for Breakfast? Study Says Go for It | Weight Loss | MyHealthNewsDaily.com

                              I just saw it yesterday. :facepalm:

                              ~rc

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                              • In the grocery store today, cruising through the baked goods aisle because The Boyfriend still eats bread. While I'm waiting for him to pick one, I see a loaf that is trying its best to look healthy. On the front, it says how it's better because, with added fiber and protein, it's going to keep you feeling full longer.

                                Added protein? In a loaf of bread?

                                I got a sneaking suspicion and checked the ingredients. Yep, added gluten. So I guess technically "added protein", but c'mon...
                                Durp.

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