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  • I know this used to be my logic....

    But I met a couple of vegetarian friends for a drink at an Italian restaurant. The guy used to be very heavy, but used HCG to lose weight. He looks better, but he clearly did not put on muscle and looks to be regaining a bit. So I was talking about going to a steak house, and he starts pontificating about how much people overeat meat. (Ummm, iirc, he was normal, became veg and got very obese). They are going on about how a daily portion is all you should eat and that is 3 ounces. Size of your palm. People overeat meat and that is why they are fat....They need to eat more veggies (But, but you were a fat vegetarian and so was I).

    So I sipped my drink and they ordered. Out came the bread and it was devoured. I had no drive for a piece so just sipped my drink. He probably drank 4 beers. So then came out the entree for him- giant platter of pasta and shrimp in a creamy looking sauce, no veggies. He ate the whole thing. I'm going to say that he had more than the "fist size" serving of "grains". He probably had 8-10 servings of grains with the bread and pasta. His friend had a salad that she didn't eat except for the croutons and more bread.

    Now, I'm just saying.... if you are going to lecture on eating "MORE THAN 3 OUNCES OF MEAT", while eating probably 10 portions of grains and exactly no vegetables, you'd better look like Mr. Olympia. I went home and had (zomg) 6 !!!11!!! ounces of ground beef. and some spinach, an egg and some cole slaw. Y'all just ate probably 2000 empty calories and were lecturing me on eating maybe 500 calories of nutrition.

    You don't maybe think that it's not all meats fault? I brought up McDonalds- yeah, you eat 1/4 lb of beef.... but alongside it fries, a big bun and a big soda. It's not all meats fault. It's also starches. He just kind of stared blankly.

    Beef, poor beef maligned by all.

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    • love the story Magnolia! Amazing!
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      • My husband and I have been primal for eight months. Friday evening, my in-laws came over just as we arrived home with a side of grass-finished beef to load into our new chest freezer. While my husband was loading the freezer I went to the garden to pick a bag each of lettuce, kale, and Swiss chard for the in-laws to take home. After I gave them the greens, my father in law made a comment, "I thought you might be vegetarians now." I was puzzled why he would say that, especially after seeing our car load of beef, but since I had just handed him three bags of greens, I thought maybe he was referring to that. So I said, "Why would we be vegetarians? That's not healthy." He said, "Well, by now that might be your next new change."

        Obviously he still thinks Primal is a fad, and despite the fact that I gave my mother-in-law the book Wheat Belly, (she read part before I got impatient after two months and asked for it back) to get her off the wheat, neither of them totally get the eliminate wheat, let alone all grains concept. Bread is such a staple in most people's minds, it's really hard for them to comprehend giving it up. So, I was trying to be polite and not show that I was offended by my father-in-law's snarky wise crack about this week's fad being turning into vegetarians.

        But then he pushed me over the edge when he gave me the old saw, "Moderation in all things."

        I said, "I wouldn't eat rat poison in moderation, and it doesn't make sense to eat food in moderation that you know is bad for you."

        That temporarily shut him up.

        I didn't weigh myself when I started Primal because I was ashamed of my weight, but I have lost 30-40 pounds, eliminated my arthritis, lower back pain, constant burping, occassional acne outbreaks (I'm in my 50s!) and have experienced a host of other health benefits. I am NOT going to reintroduce foods that cause inflammation and make me unhealthy. If this is a fad, then it is a wise and logical fad that WORKS!
        Last edited by Miss Understood; 08-05-2012, 06:46 AM.

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        • We were playing cards last night with friends and the radio was on in the background. At one point between songs I heard the DJ say something about how lard is not a food group, and he went on to say that by just cutting meat out of your diet you will lose 30lbs per year.

          So I was talking about going to a steak house, and he starts pontificating about how much people overeat meat. (Ummm, iirc, he was normal, became veg and got very obese). They are going on about how a daily portion is all you should eat and that is 3 ounces. Size of your palm. People overeat meat and that is why they are fat....They need to eat more veggies (But, but you were a fat vegetarian and so was I).
          I hate this. I put The Chew on in the background at home if I'm cleaning or doing other housework, sometimes Michael Symon makes something that looks good. but every time he cooks any kind of meat he has to say that he only ever eats 3oz at a time. Which is such crap, because 3oz is not really that much food.

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          • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
            People overeat meat and that is why they are fat.
            Yeah, because every time I see obese people eating, it's always a steak. Never a huge plate of pasta or a burger with a big bun and a plate full of fries or and ice cream sundae or a Big Gulp or a big piece of cake...
            Durp.

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            • Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
              Yeah, because every time I see obese people eating, it's always a steak. Never a huge plate of pasta or a burger with a big bun and a plate full of fries or and ice cream sundae or a Big Gulp or a big piece of cake...


              Hey, that's clever. I hereby warn you I will be plagiarizing you in future arguments with pinheads.

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              • The overweight "nutrition specialist" was at the pet store yesterday. She was happy to see me buying grain free food. When I explained I switched my dog after realizing how much better I felt being grain free she gave me a strange look. She mentioned reading Eat This Not That and was astonished that her choice of granola to go with her morning yogurt was the worst on the list. She also stated, "but we need grains and whole grains are healthy." I suggested primal, paleo, and Wheat Belly. How as a dog food nutrition specialist can you understand an animal being grain free, but not a human?

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                • The one that gets me is when you have just finished telling someone you are not eating grain products like bread, etc and they say "but you are eating whole grains, right?" A grain is a grain is a grain......
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                  • I moved and am renting out my house to some tenants. I left a few things and a few pieces of furniture as they really didn't have much, including a spare salad spinner we had. I drop by one day and they are using it as a bucket to wash their car.

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                    • Just got an email notification about a new Meetup group for weight loss support. Out of curiousity, I went to read the full description and noticed where their first meetup is scheduled: Panera Bread. SMH.

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                      • Originally posted by Inksplat View Post
                        The stories of people seeing but totally not realizing reminds me of a story I read somewhere. Not that I believe the story, but its just funny, and makes you think.

                        Story is that when Columbus's ships pulled up in the new world, that the Native Americans couldn't see them, because they had never seen anything like it, and just couldn't comprehend what in the hell even the idea of a ship. So, essentially, the whole fleet was just invisible.

                        But one of the older men of the tribe noticed that the breaking of waves and such in the water wasn't right, so he sat on the shore for a couple of days, just staring, because he knew something was there. And then, suddenly, he could see them. And with someone they respected telling them to look, and giving them the description, the rest of the tribe was eventually able to see the ships as well.

                        Don't remember where I read it, but reading this thread does seem to make it seem plausible. :lol:
                        While I agree that many people seem to have an amazing ability to avoid comprehending things they do not want to, this story is 100% false. This blog post Native American Indians Couldn't See Columbus's Ships Myth - debunked actually did the legwork to do research into the historical documents from the time to make the counter argument.

                        And when you think about it rationally, would it make sense for an animal to "not be able to see" something so large and new and possibly threatening in its environment? And even at the furthest stretch of the imagination, even if they didnt know that the structures in the water were ships that carried many more men and supplies than their own canoes, theyd certainly have seen things, like, you know, big fucking rocks in the water, in order to maneuver canoes around them, so certainly "large things in the water" would have been an area of comprehension.
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                        • Originally posted by Corvidae View Post
                          While I agree that many people seem to have an amazing ability to avoid comprehending things they do not want to, this story is 100% false. This blog post Native American Indians Couldn't See Columbus's Ships Myth - debunked actually did the legwork to do research into the historical documents from the time to make the counter argument.
                          I assumed this story was meant as a parable of some kind and not literal fact.
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                          • Just got an email notification about a new Meetup group for weight loss support. Out of curiousity, I went to read the full description and noticed where their first meetup is scheduled: Panera Bread. SMH.
                            Well, I'm sure things there are low fat and whole grain.

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                            • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                              Well, I'm sure things there are low fat and whole grain.
                              For sure... Egg whites on wheat toast. *gag!*
                              99% fat free turkey sandwich...
                              Salads.
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                              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                              • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                                *gag!*
                                That just means it's good for you

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