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  • Originally posted by unsuperb View Post
    I would balk at not telling one's vet this information, especially if you are inexperienced at feeding raw. Having been on the other side (working in a vet clinic), it's really frustrating dealing with an animal's GI issues only to find out that the owner was doing raw wrong.
    I agree, if your pet is having GI issues, then by all means tell them what you feed.

    As far as inexperience goes, I was assuming (because the "average" MDA reader does their research) that raw feeding was / will be properly researched before starting. (I know I read everything I could for months before I started).

    I was referring to "the vet getting all up in my face". Raw feeding does NOT = salmonella and toxoplasmosis. How is a vet telling you what to feed your pet (whatever bagged/canned stuff they're selling) and scaring you with salmonella different from a CW Dr. telling you to eat "healthy whole grains and avoid sat fats or you'll have a heart attack"????
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    • Originally posted by elliottsmith View Post
      ...one of our cats the boy one brought in a dead mouse and started flipping it around under the table. ...The mouse was rescued from a disgruntled looking cat by my children ...

      Last spring, i came down stairs in the morning before anybody else and found two rabbits, one dead the other almost dead. The cat had brought them both in through the Cat Flap I kid you not!!
      Although our two kittehs are mostly indoor, we'll occasionally find a 'gift' on the doorstep of a mouse or bird when the girl does go out for any length of time in the spring/summer. It means that they consider you as part of their 'pride' and are wanting to contribute to the feeding of the family! We always lavish praise and thanks on her for being such a good provider -- lol
      Started 7/5/11 at 274 lbs
      Now 214 -- that's 60 lbs!
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      • Originally posted by winencandy View Post
        How is a vet telling you what to feed your pet (whatever bagged/canned stuff they're selling) and scaring you with salmonella different from a CW Dr. telling you to eat "healthy whole grains and avoid sat fats or you'll have a heart attack"????
        Seriously. My vet pushes Science Diet, which despite its marketing ploy is really not great. When my cat got a bladder infection at one point (probably from her 100% dry diet at the time; she doesn't drink much), the vet told me I should switch to Science Diet.

        Ingredients: Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken By-Product Meal, Pork Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Chicken Liver Flavor, ...

        Uhhh, no. Thanks. "Healthy whole grains" and processed food can flip right off, both for my cats and for me.

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        • Originally posted by winencandy View Post
          I was referring to "the vet getting all up in my face". Raw feeding does NOT = salmonella and toxoplasmosis. How is a vet telling you what to feed your pet (whatever bagged/canned stuff they're selling) and scaring you with salmonella different from a CW Dr. telling you to eat "healthy whole grains and avoid sat fats or you'll have a heart attack"????
          Oh, I know. But there are vets out there that do support raw feeding (probably more than doctors who push whole grains), you just need to track them down. While I don't do raw, my vet(s) fully support the foods I feed (orijen) over what prescription stuff they carry (which is one of the better Rx foods out there, obviously not Science diet). And they have clients who do feed raw *shrugs*. Personally, I'd rather have a vet who is on board with my animal care.

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          • Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
            Good idea about keeping it mostly fowl and not so much beef or fish. I can see how that's more logical, evolutionarily.
            Tell it to the lions.
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            • Listening to grandmother about her cardiac rehab, watching her eat a cupcake.

              Given up on the family personally, it's just funny to watch them slowly kill themselves.

              It's the only way I can even bear to watch it.
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              • My dad is currently the highest weight he's ever been, and this while he counts every calorie by eating nothing but lean cuisine-type frozen dinners and 100 calorie packs of, you guessed it, chocolate snack cakes and twinkies and cookies and shit. He's recently gone even more "healthy" by getting a juicer and making a huge sugary fruit blend every morning. And he wonders why he is always tired and has acid reflux and can't sleep through the night, in addition to high blood pressure and being overweight with a huge pregnant belly. But he counts calories! How could this infallible system fail!

                I've managed to convince him to go low-carb, but he's still saying he's going to use it just to lose weight and then switch to something more "moderate" with more exercise when he's lighter so he can go back to eating sugary snack cakes again. Sigh..

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                • Today at work, two coworkers were saying that someone was giving up all grains and refined sugars, and how hard that must be. I piped up, said I did the same over a year ago, and other than the rare cheat, haven't found it that hard. The look I got was priceless. I told them that my choice is feel terrible and be in pain from my fibro, or eat veggies, meat and fruit. Makes it an easy choice.
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                  • Originally posted by winencandy View Post
                    Don't tell her. Seriously.
                    I feed my dogs and cat raw (+4 years)
                    The "dangers" of salmonella from feeding your pets raw are the same as the "dangers" of salmonella while you are preparing your own food.
                    Put their food on a plate or placemat. Wash your hands. After they eat, pick it up and wash it.
                    Easy.
                    Logically, I know that salmonella, etc., is mostly a CW scare tactic. I even have a plan to go a step further with the cat's raw food hygiene by grinding the meat at home and freezing it immediately, etc, versus getting pre-ground meat (more surface area for bacteria to multiply in if it's not stored properly). They don't like raw meaty bones yet.

                    I think it's just a mix of emotional hangups. First of all, that vet did her damndest for our kitty, and was really there for us when we had to let him go. When I put them back on raw I'm going to be straight with her about it whether she likes it or not, but I respect and like her. I think I'm also terrified that I might have contributed to our late kitty's illness, even though that's not very likely for a cat his age (there's a chance it was FIP vs bowel cancer). I suppose I'm worried that I might kill my other two cats by f-ing up their raw diet.

                    It's kind of ironic, because considering my own health, my diet is my own business and I don't have any CW hangups about it. I'm learning a lot about how food makes me feel. But with the cats, it's so much harder to disregard the CW... It seems like veterinary science is still relatively new regarding house cats, and they are so freaking good at hiding it when they're suffering.

                    I suppose every time I have a frustration with human CW, I should put it in perspective by thinking about my cats, lol. It's confusing, and I can see how someone might get fat phobia after many years of CW conditioning. You don't want to be responsible for poisoning yourself, or worse, your family.
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                    • Originally posted by tcb View Post
                      Went to the pet store today because I'm putting my dogs on a grain free diet... 3 full rows of grain free organic food made with free range, grass fed meats... Meanwhile, when I want to eat grass fed, i need to order it from my farmer 4 months in advance.. Wtf? How come people can figure out grains are shit food when it comes to their pets, but not when it comes to their own diet??? Mind blown. I figured I'd have to hunt up and down for something suitable... Nope, 3 full aisles of awesome food. The dogs are eating better than me until my next share comes in.
                      Dog food has a ton of grain free options? In cat food there was only one type of canned food. I think maybe I should look up what, if anything, needs to be added to dog food to be okay for cats.

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                      • My SIL asked about my weights routine, as she's always on the hunt for something new and different. I tell her about it, including my new PRs regarding bench pressing (45 lb) and good mornings (45 lb.) Her response was about what I expected: "won't that make you really bulky?" I try to explain the whole "women are made to lift more than 5 lbs" concept, using her lifting her 7 yr old daughter as an example. Just as I think I'm getting through to her, she makes me stop in my tracks with "well, I don't need to lift really heavy stuff anyways, so there's no point in me doing weights." WhaHUH?
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                        • Originally posted by elainevdw View Post
                          Logically, I know that salmonella, etc., is mostly a CW scare tactic. I even have a plan to go a step further with the cat's raw food hygiene by grinding the meat at home and freezing it immediately, etc, versus getting pre-ground meat (more surface area for bacteria to multiply in if it's not stored properly). They don't like raw meaty bones yet.
                          Salmonella is mostly a large factory farm concern. When salmonella develops, it is in the gut of unhealthy animals. Healthy, pasture raised chickens RARELY have salmonella. And it's passed to the eggs through the hen. So, if you are worried about trich. and salm. eat the animals that are pastured and free range. My dogs eat the occasional carcass from one of our own chickens, when processed. They eat the whole thing, bones, stuff clinging to the backbone, some organs and all.

                          We feed grain free as dogs only get minimal grain in the wild (stomach contents of animals). But I do know the passion for this is similar to the passion in people over Primal/CW.
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                          • Originally posted by sapphire_chan View Post
                            I think maybe I should look up what, if anything, needs to be added to dog food to be okay for cats.
                            Taurine. Beyond that I don't know, but cats can't synthesize their own and need it from dietary sources.

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                            • Originally posted by naiadknight View Post
                              My SIL asked about my weights routine, as she's always on the hunt for something new and different. I tell her about it, including my new PRs regarding bench pressing (45 lb) and good mornings (45 lb.) Her response was about what I expected: "won't that make you really bulky?" I try to explain the whole "women are made to lift more than 5 lbs" concept, using her lifting her 7 yr old daughter as an example. Just as I think I'm getting through to her, she makes me stop in my tracks with "well, I don't need to lift really heavy stuff anyways, so there's no point in me doing weights." WhaHUH?
                              Okay there are really still women out there that believe lifting weights will make them bulky? I cringe every time I hear/read a trainer saying "women need to lift heavy weights too... won't bulk up..." because I think to myself - well DUH of course we won't bulk up! Maybe it's because I have been lifting weights since I was 15 and I'm 34 now. I love lifting weights and have always hated cardio.
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                              • Originally posted by Fabbecky View Post
                                Okay there are really still women out there that believe lifting weights will make them bulky? I cringe every time I hear/read a trainer saying "women need to lift heavy weights too... won't bulk up..." because I think to myself - well DUH of course we won't bulk up! Maybe it's because I have been lifting weights since I was 15 and I'm 34 now. I love lifting weights and have always hated cardio.
                                I know GUYS who don't even want to do a deadlift.

                                It's like they're afraid of their health or something... oh wait!
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