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  • And what do swords in the gut have to do with diet and exercise? Try refocusing them on how low the prevalence of heart disease and diabetes is in cultures that still followed their hunter-gatherer roots, and particularly on how those rates shot up once they started in with SAD foods.

    Paleolithic people did lose a lot of their kids to disease, predators, etc. which drives average life expectancy down, but A) that's not due to dietary choices or exercise either, and B) the ones that survived those mishaps and made it to adulthood lived lives as long as we do: http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gur...ft04182006.pdf

    The primal argument is not that life was better in ALL ways then, merely that we're well-adapted to this diet and exercise level, not farming. Of course they're right that we are better off not being stabbed with swords, gored by animals, whatnot... but that's not really relevant to the point.

    As for someone being wrong on the internet, exactly! xkcd: Duty Calls
    "Trust me, you will soon enter a magical land full of delicious steakflowers, with butterbacons fluttering around over the extremely rompable grass and hillsides."

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    • A friend of mine asked me how my weightloss was going and I told him about going Primal and he proceeded to lecture me that it was a "fad diet":

      "People who are obese or extremely overweight have great results on average with this diet, but then should switch once they've shed some/most/lots of the weight to continue losing weight and getting healthier."

      Soooooooo I should switch back to eating the way I did that got me fat in the first place? Did I just hear that correctly?

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      • Originally posted by vontrapp View Post
        Soooooooo I should switch back to eating the way I did that got me fat in the first place? Did I just hear that correctly?
        Yes. Then after you've gain all the weight back, plus bit, you start over.

        No wait, that's wrong...
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        • Originally posted by mixie View Post
          QFf*nT!

          Mmm... yams roasted in leftover goose fat...

          CW moment for the day--I read all kinds of weird stuff, thanks to Project Gutenberg. The other day I picked up a set of old reference books, several of which are "how to do everything" sort of books. And when they said "everything" in the mid-late 1800's, they meant "everything".* One has a recipe for "oleomargarine", which is truly horrifying.


          And then it goes on to tell you how to make oleomargarine. Whether or not this could actually be accomplished at home I'm not sure because the pressure needed is pretty great, but the recipe is there!

          *want to know how to make pen ink? Plate silver? Cure a horse of the glanders? Make your fence posts last forever? These books are fabulous!
          If you don't have it already, it sounds like you would love the Book "Storey's basic country skills" - You could re-start mankind after a neuclear war with just that one book!

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          • Originally posted by vontrapp View Post
            A friend of mine asked me how my weightloss was going and I told him about going Primal and he proceeded to lecture me that it was a "fad diet":

            "People who are obese or extremely overweight have great results on average with this diet, but then should switch once they've shed some/most/lots of the weight to continue losing weight and getting healthier."
            He must think you're on the low calorie, high protein paleo diet. I could see the low calorie aspect speeding weight loss for awhile in people with lots of body fat stores to use, and then they'd definitely need to switch to primal and lots of dietary fat after the fat stores went away.

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            • My non-Primal colleague just had a double-masectomy (not funny), but now she eats mostly raw and vegetarian meals only.....and drinks like 2 cans of diet coke a day and snorts at my eating meat and saturated fat....

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              • Originally posted by vontrapp View Post
                A friend of mine asked me how my weightloss was going and I told him about going Primal and he proceeded to lecture me that it was a "fad diet":

                "People who are obese or extremely overweight have great results on average with this diet, but then should switch once they've shed some/most/lots of the weight to continue losing weight and getting healthier."

                Soooooooo I should switch back to eating the way I did that got me fat in the first place? Did I just hear that correctly?
                Whenever people say its a "fad diet" i say its the longest lasting fad diet since its been going on for thousands of years

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                • Hate the "fad diet" stuff. Makes me want to start slapping people.

                  But they should be thankful I'm eating this way. If it weren't for this "fad diet", I probably WOULD slap them.

                  But I'm a kindler, gentler, more devious person now...
                  Durp.

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                  • Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                    Hate the "fad diet" stuff. Makes me want to start slapping people.

                    But they should be thankful I'm eating this way. If it weren't for this "fad diet", I probably WOULD slap them.

                    But I'm a kindler, gentler, more devious person now...
                    Yeah, I wince every time I hear the word "diet". No no. Lifestyle change! No wait, that sounds just as stupid.

                    How about: this is just how I eat, so shut up and hand me the steak and no one gets hurt.
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                    • Me too on the "diet" thing. Friends, family, co-workers... "How's the diet going?"
                      I've about given up! I internally re-phrase it into "How's the new way you're eating going?" and answer with how much weight I've lost, how many sizes I'm down, and leave them to draw their own conclusions about the rest.

                      Admittedly, if someone did come up to me and ask "So, how's that change in lifestyle working out for ya?", I'd probably have to pick my jaw up off the floor! I'd immediately suspect 1) them being sarcastic or 2) myself having harped a little too much about "IT'S NOT A DIET!!"
                      Started 7/5/11 at 274 lbs
                      Now 214 -- that's 60 lbs!
                      Goal 160 lbs -- last time there was in junior high!


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                      • Ultimate CW fail:

                        I live with my boyfriend, and his mother is a nurse. His younger brother just moved in with us this week, so their mom sent him to his new home with "health" foods since he doesn't know how to cook. (He's 20 and this is his first time on his own.)

                        I came home to a freezer full of Lean Cuisine frozen meals, crowding out all space for my meat, and literally an entire shelf full of Activia "yogurt".

                        Standard Lean Cuisine meal: <6g total fat, >40g carb, and not a single one of them didn't include chemical concoctions.

                        Activia yogurt: completely fat free, made with corn starch and added sugar.

                        She's pushed Activia on me multiple times claiming how it helped her digestive issues. No thanks. I don't eat dairy and if I did, it sure would be REAL dairy - full fat, please!


                        Also CW funny: I want a new pair of VFFs for Christmas, and I put them on my list. My mom called to ask me why I wanted such expensive toe-socks.

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                        • OMG, this looks like primal heaven!! http://www.bbqaddicts.com/blog/recipes/bacon-explosion/

                          Oink, Oink
                          It makes me sad that people are trying hard to do the right thing but failing because they have the wrong information.
                          Without question, bacon is the most interesting meat in the world, and if it were capable of original thought, we wouldn't even be having an election this November in America. We would simply appoint bacon as our forever leader and live dutifully under its rule.

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                          • My coworker was asking around if anybody had ever had an ulcer because she thought she might have one. She went on to explain how she always feels super bad after she eats a meal, how the pretzel she just had made her stomach hurt. She talked about how she takes prilosec every day and she's fine but she forgot it today and oh does anybody have some? Three people had some for her in their desks (there's only 10 people in this room). What really gets me is she's always talking about how she's getting old and it's perfectly normal to take antacids all the time because that's just the way it is. The best part? She's 28.

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                            • Originally posted by Rockerbaby View Post
                              Also CW funny: I want a new pair of VFFs for Christmas, and I put them on my list. My mom called to ask me why I wanted such expensive toe-socks.
                              +1 lol
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                              • Originally posted by Tigerfeet View Post
                                My coworker was asking around if anybody had ever had an ulcer because she thought she might have one. She went on to explain how she always feels super bad after she eats a meal, how the pretzel she just had made her stomach hurt. She talked about how she takes prilosec every day and she's fine but she forgot it today and oh does anybody have some? Three people had some for her in their desks (there's only 10 people in this room). What really gets me is she's always talking about how she's getting old and it's perfectly normal to take antacids all the time because that's just the way it is. The best part? She's 28.
                                Hah. You know before I went gluten-free (and am slowly becoming primal) I wondered why my stomach hurt all the time, but I never thought it was "normal" for a woman my age to need to eat antacids like candy. :P

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