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  • I always loaded the meat up with cheese anyway. I really can't eat ground beef without it.
    In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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    • Originally posted by AccidentalPrimal View Post
      Sadness first: A relative of someone I know has cancer. That's all the specifics I'll give.

      But here's the (bitter) hilarity: Our acquaintance finally convinced their relative to see a nutritionist to try and dietarily improve the time they have left. As the (hospital-employed) nutritionist went down the (CW) dietary guidelines with them, and they began to see a ray of hope, the nutritionist told them straight-out that they don't personally believe that diet has, or can have, any affect on someone's health!

      You don't even have to know anything about PB or its tenets for that one. That's just ri-goddamn-diculous. But these are the people trying to tell us all how to eat and live healthfully.
      I'm not a dietician but I got a master's degree in nutrition. I used to work as a personal trainer aswell and although I believe I am better than many PTs out there I was frustrated with how I could never get the results I wanted. I knew something was wrong but except from excess sugar I didn't really think grains were part of the problem. So in a way I understand that nutritionist and admires them for at least telling their truth. CW diet doesn't have any effect on someone's health, I think this person might actually be open minded about alternative ways of using nutrition for healing if they were to get the right information.

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      • Soooo after quite a few hours reading this thread instead of doing things that I should have done I think I need to share my CW moment a couple of weeks ago.

        Me: I have stopped eating grains and sugar and actually I feel great!
        Friend: But you aren't that fat, you don't need to lose a lot of weight.
        Me: Well I do have some excess fat and I also have asthma and allergies and sugar promotes inflammation.
        Friend: That is bullshit, I have spent so much time with the doctor because my wife got asthma and he says we should be careful with nuts because you don't always know if you are sensitive to them:
        Me: That might be true but I don't usually eat nuts, just increased my intake when I cut out the sugar so I doubt that is the problem here. And yes too much sugar promotes inflammation.
        Friend: I have never heard that sugar causes inflammation that is just bullshit.
        Me: Anyway, I feel a lot better and my asthma has actually improved a bit already. I'm just eating 50-70g of carbs a day.
        Friend: That is dangerous! You need to go speak to a doctor first!
        Me: Huh, why? I got a master's degree in nutrition I don't think the doctor can tell me anything I don't know better.
        Friend: Because you cant live on 50g carbs a day, it's dangerous you need energy.
        Me: Ummm I eat PLENTY of fat, don't worry about my energy.
        Friend: Ok, I'm gonna go read up on this and then we can continue.
        Me: lol go ahead, looking forward to it

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        • Originally posted by Pimzilla View Post
          Friend: Ok, I'm gonna go read up on this and then we can continue.
          Me: lol go ahead, looking forward to it
          And of course because your friend already has an opinion before researching, it's rather likely that all s/he will come up with are items to support the "low carb is terribad" claims.

          But perhaps I'm overly pessimistic. After all, everybody ever came from a relatively CW background and managed to realize this works for us...
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          • Originally posted by lucyh View Post
            I usually do scrambled. Microwaves vary, so you may need to experiment a little, but I beat three eggs in a bowl and then cook at 60% power for 3 1/2 minutes. Stir, and put in for another minute, still at 60% power. The trick is to take them out before they are completely done, and then stir them again, really well. They'll continue cooking and be just right by the time you get back to your desk This keeps them from getting all dried out.

            I also sometimes do poached. Fill a bowl with hot water from the coffee maker, place it in the microwave, and then carefully crack two eggs into the bowl. Cook for about a minute (again, it may take some experimenting to get it right, start with 40 seconds, and check). It would help to have a slotted spoon to lift them out, but I manage to just use a regular spoon. I lose a lot of the egg whites this way, but as long as the yolks are all there, I'm okay with that.

            Three days later, and I still haven't touched that Halloween candy!
            Make sure to tell them when you cut grains that means you usually cut about 150g of carbs out anyway. As long as you follow what your body tells you (avoiding grain addiction) you naturally go lower carb.

            Plus, if he wants to argue you about bacon, he's been lost to CW and should be given up on anyway ;-).

            Another thought, how about telling him to eat 300g of carbs in vegtables and tell me how he feels.
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            • Originally posted by Jenny View Post
              And of course because your friend already has an opinion before researching, it's rather likely that all s/he will come up with are items to support the "low carb is terribad" claims.
              It's funny how people argue in circles about carbs. "Low carb is bad for you because you need carbs!" Hard to argue with that.

              For such a strongly held position, you'd think there would be loads of research exploring the hazards of low carb. But the science is remarkably incomplete. I sure would like to hear what the carb-touting friend comes up with.

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              • A lady at work just stocked up on Halloween candy - bags and bags of it. She keeps it at her desk and eats it all day long because she said she "needs those frequent bursts of energy" she gets from the candy.

                Um sure - and the insulin rush is doing her body so much good . . .

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                • Originally posted by Timothy View Post
                  It's funny how people argue in circles about carbs. "Low carb is bad for you because you need carbs!" Hard to argue with that.

                  For such a strongly held position, you'd think there would be loads of research exploring the hazards of low carb. But the science is remarkably incomplete. I sure would like to hear what the carb-touting friend comes up with.
                  Honestly, I just tell them cutting grains does the "Low carbing" for you.

                  One of my friends is trying it and seems to be hitting low carb flu already. Maybe low carb flu is just the low grain blues?

                  Originally posted by hockeyfan7 View Post
                  A lady at work just stocked up on Halloween candy - bags and bags of it. She keeps it at her desk and eats it all day long because she said she "needs those frequent bursts of energy" she gets from the candy.

                  Um sure - and the insulin rush is doing her body so much good . . .
                  LOL these people are so inteligent. I can't even fathom how they think they are going to lose weight. Even CW people think this is a bad idea...
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                  • I will let you know next time I speak to him, even though I doubt he's done his reading to be able to come up with anything. He is polish so he also blames his poor english for not being able to express himself
                    Last time I spoke to him he said that he had a huge cupcake and wondered if I wanted any. First time in my life I could honestly reply, no thanks I actually don't feel for it. Even though I still do at times, but it's minor cravings compared to what I'm used to

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                    • So my roomie had a friend over, and she's vegan. I immediately starting giving her shit (in a joking way, she took it all in good humor). Anyways, I made a joke about saving the animals or something, and she said she's a nutritional vegan, she doesn't give a damn about the animals. I gave a big groan about it and said "oh no". About 15 minutes later, she and my roomie were making dinner, and they were having pasta that included some vegan "sausage" in it. I said something about the sausage and she's like, "well, some vegans are really picky about what they eat, but I really don't give a shit."

                      Huh? How can you be a vegan for "nutritional" reasons and then not give a shit about what you eat? Dumb broad. Lol.
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                      • Originally posted by fpsjosh01 View Post
                        One of my friends is trying it and seems to be hitting low carb flu already. Maybe low carb flu is just the low grain blues?
                        You're on to something there. Low-carb flu is not just energy doldrums associated with upregulating fat oxidation. It's also going cold-turkey from grain-delivered opioids and serotonin, which is no laughing matter. Fortunately, bacon cures all.

                        Originally posted by Pimzilla View Post
                        I will let you know next time I speak to him, even though I doubt he's done his reading to be able to come up with anything. He is polish so he also blames his poor english for not being able to express himself
                        Last time I spoke to him he said that he had a huge cupcake and wondered if I wanted any. First time in my life I could honestly reply, no thanks I actually don't feel for it. Even though I still do at times, but it's minor cravings compared to what I'm used to
                        Ah, Poland! Very interesting. They started a movement there called Optimal Diet which is based on permanent very-low-carb. Long-term Optimal Dieters have increased risk of intestinal cancer, thought to be due to a mucus deficiency due to insufficient carbohydrate. That is one of the few bits of scientific evidence in favor of a need for occasional dietary carb.

                        Good on you for resisting the cupcake, Pimzilla. That's a milestone to remember. If you do find yourself craving that stuff, just remember you're hungry for real food.

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                        • Originally posted by Timothy View Post
                          Ah, Poland! Very interesting. They started a movement there called Optimal Diet which is based on permanent very-low-carb. Long-term Optimal Dieters have increased risk of intestinal cancer, thought to be due to a mucus deficiency due to insufficient carbohydrate. That is one of the few bits of scientific evidence in favor of a need for occasional dietary carb.

                          Good on you for resisting the cupcake, Pimzilla. That's a milestone to remember. If you do find yourself craving that stuff, just remember you're hungry for real food.
                          First of all I'm in the UK so couldn't accept the cupcake anyway
                          But I will look into the Optimal Diet tomorrow, never heard about it, but better be prepared if he actually reads up on it haha

                          Btw, my boyfriend is cutting off the excess fat of the bacon (which I didn't mind at all before) and I'm trying not to comment because I probably encouraged him to do it earlier
                          Now I love it if it's crispy, still can't chew non crispy fat...

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                          • Originally posted by Pimzilla View Post
                            But I will look into the Optimal Diet tomorrow, never heard about it, but better be prepared if he actually reads up on it haha
                            In the interest of arming you to the teeth with minimal effort, there's a good summary of carbohydrate-deficiency science starting here:

                            Perfect Health Diet Dangers of Zero-Carb Diets, I: Can There Be a Carbohydrate Deficiency?

                            Bottom line is that there isn't much data, but there are potential risks to going very long periods of time without carbohydrate. So the occasional carb refeed is justified for most people, once they've gotten over their insulin resistance from a lifetime of high carb.

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                            • stopped today at the local convenience store for a cup of coffee.. I figured (rightly) that they would not have real cream or half and half, no biggie. So I am there trying to get a lid for my cup while this woman has parked herself by the flavored coffee mate (by the lids of course). So as I work on my coffee I notice she adds coffee mate, stir, taste, coffee mate stir taste. She makes a comment that it has to taste just right and asks if I need cream. I said nah, there is no real cream so no thanks. She says but its coffee mate! I reply, but it full of chemicals!

                              Headed to the local grocery store (not any bigger than the convenience store) for some real cream.
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                              • I have a really bad habit of deciding I'm going to cook up a storm, buying the ingredients and then finding other things I need to do. Last time it involved big bottles of heavy cream. Funny thing is, they kept disappearing even though I wasn't using them.

                                Turns out the non-Primal Coffee-Mate loving boyfriend had discovered the joy of using heavy cream instead. Now he's hooked.
                                Durp.

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