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  • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
    Okay just cause, here's the background:
    Also I can't massage him because he has the densest muscles in the world. If you ask him to relax and feel his muscles, you will think he's flexing. It's just how he is. Doctors shrug at this and tell him he needs to learn how to relax, but he's like this when he's sleeping!
    I used to be like this. Still get really hard and tight in the shoulders when im stressed, but everyone whos touched my back recently says how much better and relaxed ive been lately. And that change has come since going primal.

    Also, my legs and hips were screwed up from a lifetime of poor posture, coordination, and muscle imbalances. the thing that started me on the road to fixing it and being pain-free (granted, no where NEAR 10-pain, but still) was doing rolfing. Has your boyfriend looked into that?
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    • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
      because of spinal misalignment and not just going to get progressively worse and the pain is due to his pelvis being out of whack for years and his muscles and body compensating for it. Getting things straight has been a long process and his hips still go back to how they were (granted, I think he could be working out more to help support the adjustments) periodically.
      This is me. My official diagnosis is "lumbar spondylolisthesis", which I'm told simply means "instability"--the cracked vertebrae shift back and forth along the spinal column, pressing against my spinal cord and causing... inexplicably agonizing acute nerve pain.
      I don't trust Chiropractors. I know too many people who see them long-term and are told there's no cure, just maintenance and periodic adjustments. My physical therapist was fantastic about teaching me how to adjust myself using body weight and those little rubber balls. But if I had continued simply following the maintenance routine and doing the prescribed exercises, I never would have gotten any better; perhaps just no worse.

      I really had to take big, proactive steps. The first one was getting rid of inflammatory foods. The next is getting into good shape and practicing functional athleticism. If his muscles are tense all the time, that suggests to me that they're compensating for the skeletal instability. My PT would deep massage some of my hip flexor and lower back muscles and say that they felt like concrete at first. What happens, apparently, is that your muscles will tighten and lock around the bone to provide support, even when you're consciously relaxed. Over time, these locked-up muscles will pull your spine and pelvis out of whack--which is why the injury keeps re-occurring, even after adjustment.

      I promise you, no doctor is going to have the answer to this. They're just not trained that way. The only answers the best specialists here had were orthopedic surgery and drugs. For me it took a combination of emotional therapy (to help me reconnect with my body, etc), physical therapy (to fix the injuries and teach me how to move my body properly), relaxation/meditation, good sleep, and good food.

      I would not tell him to lift heavy, not at all. I would suggest toning and strengthening stuff--pilates (the Miracle Ball stuff is basically pilates removing the tension/stress element and supporting the injured area) or yoga especially. But it wasn't really about pushing my body to do excessive work, it was entirely about re-training myself to walk properly, climb correctly, etc. I had no idea that I was walking around with my pelvis tipped way forward and knees turned in and kinda hunched over; the hardest work I did was paying attention to how my feet, knees, hips, back, and neck lined up when I was walking up a flight of stairs or just crossing the street. Or, like, remembering to lock up my whole core every time I picked up a mug of tea. It was a million cumulative correct motions over a period of months that re-trained my muscles and kept them from pulling my spine and pelvis back out of alignment. "Workouts" in and of themselves don't work if you're continuing to re-do the damage throughout the day with poor movement and posture.
      Last edited by mixie; 10-24-2011, 02:34 PM.
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      • Originally posted by Corvidae View Post
        Also, my legs and hips were screwed up from a lifetime of poor posture, coordination, and muscle imbalances.
        Right?! Rolfing is great.
        “Falconry is not a hobby or an amusement; it is a rage. You eat and drink it, sleep it and think it. You tremble to write of it, even in recollection. It is as King James the First remarked, an extreme stirrer up of passions.” --T.H. White, The Godstone and the Blackymor

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        • Hungry Jacks (Burger King) is now offering 100% organic grass fed beef burgers. What a waste!

          Oh but they are serving it on an oat bran roll, that makes it healthy right? lol
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          • Originally posted by Athanasey View Post
            Hungry Jacks (Burger King) is now offering 100% organic grass fed beef burgers. What a waste!

            Oh but they are serving it on an oat bran roll, that makes it healthy right? lol
            No bun?
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            • Originally posted by Alex Good View Post
              No bun?
              I'm pretty sure they cook in canola oil. Served with sugary bbq sauce. Just not worth it.
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              • Originally posted by sapphire_chan View Post
                Overheard in a weightloss forum:
                "I'm a total bread/carboholic....I have to eat 6 times a day or I get hungry"

                Y'think?
                *Yikes* That used to be me a few years back before I realized that 6 times a day isn't good. But still I ate all the carbs, just less often :S

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                • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                  I just wish I could find the miracle cure for his back problems, but even with the best chiropractor in the world, one bad lift and his back is back to 10 on the pain scale and he has to "take it easy" like he has been so it will stop hurting because the pain meds are inefficient.
                  Try KettleBells and the "Evil Russian" Pavel Tsatsouline. Cured my back problems. I have a crushed vertebrae in my T5 and kettlebells and whole body workouts are the only thing that keep me from dying and practically living on pain killers.
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                  • a friend would have a complete meal with just white bread but would never ever eat more than one egg per day "not to ruin his liver"

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                    • Originally posted by fra0039 View Post
                      a friend would have a complete meal with just white bread but would never ever eat more than one egg per day "not to ruin his liver"
                      +1

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                      • Originally posted by tcb View Post
                        That table is literally right outside my office door. Co-workers are amazed at my self control.. I am equally amazed at their lack thereof.
                        THIS.

                        My family isn't primal, not in the least. My kids eat cereal. My husband eats grains. My kids love the occasional junky dessert. So along with all the fruits, vegetables, nuts, eggs, meats, fish, and homemade dishes, my house has bread, pasta, cereal, dairy, bagels, chocolate, chips and cookies. Oh, and Halloween chocolate too.

                        I don't eat any of it.

                        I'm no longer even tempted when I make sandwiches for my kids or husband. I have an emergency stash of Ezekiel bread in the downstairs freezer in case the day ever comes when I really do want to have bread. So far, that day hasn't come.

                        Meanwhile, my kids are slowly having more and more fresh fruit and vegetables, and eggs are no longer limited to a Sunday breakfast. Slowly but surely...
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                        • Originally posted by JackieKessler View Post
                          THIS.

                          My family isn't primal, not in the least. My kids eat cereal. My husband eats grains. My kids love the occasional junky dessert. So along with all the fruits, vegetables, nuts, eggs, meats, fish, and homemade dishes, my house has bread, pasta, cereal, dairy, bagels, chocolate, chips and cookies. Oh, and Halloween chocolate too.

                          I don't eat any of it.

                          I'm no longer even tempted when I make sandwiches for my kids or husband. I have an emergency stash of Ezekiel bread in the downstairs freezer in case the day ever comes when I really do want to have bread. So far, that day hasn't come.

                          Meanwhile, my kids are slowly having more and more fresh fruit and vegetables, and eggs are no longer limited to a Sunday breakfast. Slowly but surely...
                          two dozen krispy kremes sitting on that table when I got in this morning...

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                          • Originally posted by tcb View Post
                            two dozen krispy kremes sitting on that table when I got in this morning...
                            lol
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                            • Good friend just tried what he called "low carbing", but not so much. He lost a bunch of weight though ... probably from the carbs he did cut. Went off Statins for a while...first blood test "good", second not so much. Never had partical size done because his "fantastic doctor" said it wasn't necessary. He went back on statins. So yesterday, I sent him a link to the abstract of the big study from Norway that showed an inverse relationship between total cholesterol and mortality. He replied that I don't need to waste my time with the links because he wasn't changing. I responded that I knew, but I thought a massive, recent study showing he could be increasing his risk of death might intrigue him. Never heard back from that one. CW sucks and its inertia is bone crushingly depressing.

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                              • Originally posted by tcb View Post
                                two dozen krispy kremes sitting on that table when I got in this morning...
                                Dude. You win.
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