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  • #16
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    @Nicki -- I see your point, but I think what you've identified is a variance in individuals' minds, bodies, and goals.


    Some bodies need very strict carb control to achieve super-leanness and/or avoid illness. Other bodies tolerate, or even require, more carbs for optimal function.


    Some minds need very strict dietary control to avoid cravings. Other minds require more flexibility to "stay sane."


    I'm somewhere in-between on both counts. Physically, I can eat the occasional carb-heavy, grain-laden, sugar-laced meal with no ill effects at all. Mentally, I'm not particularly suceptable to spiraling off the wagon due to either strict compliance OR cheat meals. That said, I strongly prefer the way I look, feel, and perform when my compliance is near 100%...and I do think that the stronger the compliance, the stronger the body.


    Now, you may still achieve very satisfactory results on lower compliance. Good on ya. You could probably achieve BETTER (if "more ripped" is how we're defining "better") results with greater compliance. This is where the goals come in. If maximum ripped-ness isn't your goal, to the point that it's worth giving up treats most days, that's totally cool.

    Nightlife ~ Chronicles of Less Urban Living, Fresh from In the Night Farm ~ Idaho's Primal Farm! http://inthenightlife.wordpress.com/

    Latest post: Stop Being Stupid

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    • #17
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      I have gotten increasingly lean with primal/paleo eating and fitness...I dropped down to ~17% BF while gaining muscle, especially in my shoulders, back and thighs. Sweet!


      Tamara, fyi I checked out your blog and got inspired and sent you some email with questions about the primal living.

      On a mission to help others master movement, build unbreakable strength, & eat MORE food (can't beat that.) Weekly fitness, health & nutrition articles at indulgentfitness.com.

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      • #18
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        Same here...was lean to begin with but Primal leaned me out even more and added a bit of bulk. My wife says I'm definitely bulkier than pre-primal days...and almost at the six pack.


        BarbeyGirl - that is a great pic!

        I grok, therefore I am.

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        • #19
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          @ Barbey girl.


          I agree--different strokes for different folks. That's why I wanted to post my side. Seems more folks here lean toward your "maximum compliance for maximum results" line of thinking, and I don't think that's necessary or even ideal for a lot of people.


          And I think that we can agree to disagree on that point. Besides being better for my mentality, adopting a more lenient approach has given me the best body I could ever imagine. And I take issue with you describing my results as "satisfactory" when actually they are damn fantastic.


          And that's what the initial poster was referring to, after all. I did say I was following the PB. And it's a grey zone when you start defining minimums. I may not be 100% primal. But I'm 100% better than I used to be!


          As far as "more ripped=better" I strongly disagree. As a matter of fact, I used to be more "ripped" when I was doing a lot of excessive, unhealthy exercise. But they were big, bulky, unattractive muscles. When I adopted the PB plan and started doing pilates I leaned out and developed that dancers physique I wanted. (Funny since I've always been a dancer) So again, different strokes for different folks. When I am more ripped, my jeans go up a size or two. Not exactly what we ladies usually aim for. I'm not ripped, but I'm super toned.


          I also think it depends on where your passions lie, and you have to factor that in. From your blog, it seems you've developed a passion for nature and quiet living. I enjoy that too, but I also have a passion for dancing it up in a wild&crazy club at 4 am in Barcelona. And I think that energizes me just as much as a solid 9 hours sleep in a tranquil farmstead would.


          Like you said, its really all about preferences. You prefer to be 100%. I prefer not to. I just don't think we all need to strive for some sort of Walden ideal, when the results are there for the taking in the real world.


          ps I know that last comment may have sounded derogatory, so I'm sorry for that. I'm glad you have found a great lifestyle and a way of living that works well for you. I'm just saying, that what is best for you may not be best for everyone.

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          • #20
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            @Nicki -- I'm not sure we even need to agree to disagree. We agree that people have different ideas about what is "best" regarding lifestyle, body composition, and a whole lot of other things.


            I simply understood the original question to be framing "more ripped" as "better" for purposes of the discussion in this thread. I don't certainly don't think that such is the case for everyone.

            Nightlife ~ Chronicles of Less Urban Living, Fresh from In the Night Farm ~ Idaho's Primal Farm! http://inthenightlife.wordpress.com/

            Latest post: Stop Being Stupid

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            • #21
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              when i go home i'll post a photo of me today. i have a shot of "soft chronic cardio queen" from last summer june 2009 and i'm shocked at what i look like now. 5lb weights and bodyweight exercises combined with cutting out the grains has made a world of difference. wonder if losing dairy would do anything? i started PB in late august/early sept

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              • #22
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                @ BarbeyGirl: Oh you are such a doll! I was worried you might think I was bashing you. New to the forum, yaaay for moderate, level-headed and sweet PB'ers.


                @misathemeb: We have similar stories. I do suggest trying a period of cutting out dairy. I was soooooo resistant to the idea. Loved cheese, milk, EVERYTHING dairy. But when I did, I has fantastic results. In fact, I think I may have been slightly allergic to milk! Beyond body composition, I noticed a reduction in excema, skin troubles, and stomach bloating. I was so happy! and now I don't even miss it. When I do, I have just a smidge.

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                • #23
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                  @Jess -- Cool! Your email hasn't come through yet, but I'm watching for it!


                  @LtC -- *blush* Thanks.

                  Nightlife ~ Chronicles of Less Urban Living, Fresh from In the Night Farm ~ Idaho's Primal Farm! http://inthenightlife.wordpress.com/

                  Latest post: Stop Being Stupid

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                  • #24
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                    haha *snort*


                    No, I'm not lean. I've lost 20 lbs, and I still have at least 40 lbs to lose. Right now, my goal is to live long, be healthy, and look good with clothes ON, lol.


                    Maybe one day, I'll start worrying about body fat percentages (stranger things have happened).

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                    • #25
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                      I am liking the civilized nature of this discourse, myself...


                      I wish I knew how to post pics. (I tried and failed miserably.)


                      The pic I have that illustrates me most ripped is a Crossfit "pukie" photo----me throwing up into a wastebasket, deltoids nicely cut for a 51 year old woman. I was ripped all right---but I was about to blow.


                      I shudder now to think of what I put my body through on a regular basis. In retrospect, I wish I had done Crossfit WODs maybe twice a week, tops, and enjoyed dance, yoga and leisurely cycling more. I might have avoided the spine injuries that landed me twice on the operating room table and just now emerging from almost two years of recovery!


                      Sooze

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                      • #26
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                        I'm still a squishy teddy bear, but much stronger than when I started PB back in November. I don't know if I'll ever be ripped, but I feel better than I have in years. Those of you who are really lean and strong are a great inspiration!

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                        • #27
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                          disclaimer: i am by no means totally ripped but this is a 10lb improvement over my "soft" former self. first photo is 125lb (JUNE 2009) and 25-30mpw running & no strength training. not overweight but just soft




                          AFTER PB & introducing some strength training (today feb 17...apologies for the terrible light it was dark when i got home 115lb at 5'4 starting to get abs though!






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                          • #28
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                            looking good Misa! Keep up the good work!!

                            I grok, therefore I am.

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                            • #29
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                              I'm not sure I would describe myself as ripped. I've got some muscle from my sporadic Jiu Jitsu training. I'm 6foot 3 inches tall so I'm pretty lean. I have no idea how primal I am because I usually eat whatever is cheap and available. I'm a college student at Iowa State University and have no money or time. The benefit of having no money is that I guess I'm almost always IFing


                              My real passion is jogging/running. I jog the mile to class every morning, jog back for lunch (cheese usually), then jog back to my afternoon classes, and then jog back home again in the evening. Then on the weekends I usually put in around 12 miles depending on how far I feel like jogging. I try to eat a high fat, high protein, and low carb diet to keep that steady fuel when I'm jogging. I eat a lot of dairy (cottage cheese, cheese, milk, yogurt, etc) because its cheap and available. I'm currently lacking in the protein department because I can't afford meat or a protein supplement. The only carbs I really ever get are from fruits or veggies (I have friends who get them for free from dining centers on campus!) or from pizza. Pizza is my vice. I'm not gonna give it up. lol.


                              I'm training for a marathon this summer and plan on running one day of RAGBRAI (its a bike ride across Iowa that last a week with each day about 60 miles) If i can manage those two runs my hope is to do an ultra (100 miles) next fall sometime. The longest run I've ever done was 16 miles and that was a year and a half ago. I run and walk around barefoot all the time; yes, even in the cold


                              I guess I'm pretty primal, but it's not really completely by choice. I love running and I eat high fat, low carb because it makes my slow long jogs easier. My body is not "ripped" but I'm very lean and have some reasonable muscles. I hate lifting weights and just jog/sprint and practice jiu jitsu.


                              I have no idea how to post pictures on here, and if i can figure it out I'll put one up.


                              Finally, i just feel like venting some frustration. I'm in college and surrounded by good looking girls. Cute, lean, hot, etc, but when i get to know them a little more they are all shallow. I've been finding that they are all slim because they either (1) Have ridiculously high metabolism and eat whatever or (2) Don't eat anything because they are insecure about their bodies. I'm so frustrated. I wan't to meet people (not just girls, but they are def important) who eat because they know whats right. I want to meet girls who enjoy exercising and don't just suffer through it. I wan't to meet girls who are confident and not insecure. Maybe some of you can help me out with this. Where do I meet girls/people like this?


                              Now I'm frustrated. lol. Time for a run

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                              • #30
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                                No, but I will be.

                                The more I see the less I know for sure.
                                -John Lennon

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