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    I come from a vegetarian background, but have been eating meats for the past year...this is as primal as I can seem to make it. Every time I try going primal I go on sugar binges. I mean that very literally. (side note: I'm skinny, so I'm not here to lose weight, but I have other health issues that I want to help).

    I lasted 2 days primal, and then a week of nothing but sugar. For example, my supper yesterday was kettle corn, cinnamon/sugar coated nuts, and rolls. My supper today was even worse--Halloween candy and a "natural" orange soda. I don't usually have THAT bad of a diet, but I have been craving AND eating candy all day, and I have no desire for meat, or dairy or anything else. What is wrong with my brain/body chemistry that is making me so out of whack? I know that having candy for 2 out of 3 meals today (and a cinnamon roll for breakfast) is horrid, but I do it anyway, and can't seem to stop myself, and I like it. And I just want MORE...

    except I know this is not right...

    I feel like my conscience and my brain/body are not connected.

    HELP!!!

  • #2
    Throw out the candy and gorge on sweet potatoes and blueberries if you must! But it sounds like you might be craving something you aren't getting, or maybe your hunger hormones are off-kilter. Remember that it takes more than two days to get into good ketosis and off the sugar roller-coaster. And usually the second or third day can be the most difficult.

    How much fat are you eating?
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    • #3
      If i was you I would approch this from an "atkins" style approch to kick off a good keto. It sounds like you have a massive "carb flu" that you may need to fight through.

      2 weeks less than 20g of carbs a day. Got nothing to loose trying it right? Also if you get a craving for sugar, eat some bacon...

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      • #4
        My concern about going so low on carbs is that I am already underweight. I don't think I can do a drastic 180 on my diet, because that's when I fail and end up eating worse, so I think I have to ease myself into it.

        I wonder if Knifegill might be right that I'm craving something that I'm not getting...maybe enough calories? or something else I might be missing?

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        • #5
          Knifegill asks a great question. How much fat are you eating? The carbs we reduce here are from grain. And grains acts in your body just as sugar does and keeps your cravings alive.

          Have a banana if you want a sweet. It really helps me.

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          • #6
            Fruit. Fruit, fruit, fruit. If you're gonna have the sugar, eat the fruit. And a handful of nuts. Nom!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by JackieKessler View Post
              Fruit. Fruit, fruit, fruit. If you're gonna have the sugar, eat the fruit. And a handful of nuts. Nom!
              ^^^---This! Another way to get by is with smoothies. My wife had multiple homemade fruit smoothies everyday when we first switched over. A cup (or can for more fat) of coconut milk, a banana, and a bunch of frozen strawberries does the trick and is really simple!
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              • #8
                Two days in not NEARLY enough time to get past the carb-flu!! People are different, some can partake on rare occasions ("moderation") and it never bothers them... then there are those of us where all it takes is a bite or two of sweet and we've got to almost start over.

                I found that upping the good fats and going almost totally carnivore -- yup, avoided fruits and veggies for a week -- got me through it the first time...and each time I have 'slipped' since them!
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                • #9
                  You have a choice, the sugar is not jumping into your mouth, you are putting it there. You need to decide to make it work or not.
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                  • #10
                    Don't worry about weight loss if you go low carb. Low carb simply flattens your insulin curve which allows your body weight to normalize. You won't waste away. Eat enough protein and fat and you'll do fine.
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                    • #11
                      Maybe the thing Youre craving isnt only about food ... sometimes there may be emotional issues behind cravings. if You like to, find someone who does energy healing like EFT or go on the internet to learn how to apply EFT to Yourself - can be quite helpful for overcoming cravings if the background is emotional. Im quite a newbie to primal (two weeks) but I already love it
                      and I am practicing EFT for a year for myself and others with good results
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                      • #12
                        It would help if you gave some idea of what you consider primal eating ie a couple of days typical menus.

                        I find that the more sweet, sweet stuff I eat the more I crave so I restrict very sweet tasting things as I really hate the out of control constantly starving feeling I get when I go back to a high carb diet. Personally I'm not a fan of the low carb (below 50g) idea so I eat loads of lower carb veg (brocolli, cauliflower etc) as well as carrots and I also eat several different types of berries throughout the day without them causing any problems. As I do need to lose weight I aim for around 50-100g of carbs a day but as I only occasionally count them to check I'm not stressed about an actual number.

                        I'd suggest aiming for between 100 and 150g which is made up of loads of fruit and lower carb veg (30g carbs is 500g of mixed berries) and try sticking to that for a couple of weeks before tweaking depending on your results. That way you should have loads to eat all the time and will give you chance to stabilise so you can then add back in the other stuff you like and see how it affects you ie I love Full Fat Coconut Yoghurt but that always starts me craving sweet things so its on treat status for the time being.
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                        • #13
                          Carbs/sugars give us energy, so do fats. Problem is it takes our body a while to adjust to getting energy from fats when its relied on sugars for so long, which is where sugar cravings come from. You say you want to transition gradually, and i think the best way to do that would be to 1) eat only "good" carbs, like fruits and sweet potatos/yams, maybe some white rice, when you have a sugar craving, and 2) try to get more fats in your diet*.

                          Also you can try this: when youre hungry/have a sugar craving, have a spoonful of (good) olive oil, or even better, coconut oil. See if that helps the hunger. If it does, then your body is just looking for more energy. If youre still hungry, then maybe your body is craving something in particular. Try a good multivitamin.

                          *If the idea of eating crispy gobs of animal fat is unappealing to you, try nibbling on small pats of grass-fed butter (Kerrigold is an irish import thats pretty easy to find and is awesome) or getting more coconut milk into your diet. Try making coconut milk smoothies.
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                          • #14
                            Let's remember that primal is not necessarily a low carb program. If you have no weight to lose, then why would you go low carb?
                            Personally, my binge issues get bad when I don't get enough carbs. (and yes, I have tried very low carb). If I am not getting the right balance of Protein, Fats and Carb, I lose it. Maybe some tracking would help.

                            You could try this:
                            1. Figure out your BMR, then use the Harris Benedict Equation to add in activity. This will tell you how many calories you need to maintain your weight.
                            2. Use Mark's protein needs range to find out how much protein you need first. Subtract from your daily calories. 1g P = 4 cals
                            3. Use the Carbohydrate Curve to decide how many carbs you will eat. Subtract those calories. 1g C= 4 cals
                            4. Make up the rest of your cals in fat. 1g F=9cals
                            5. Use a food tracker like Fitday to track your food intake and try to keep close to your chosen numbers daily.
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                            • #15
                              I am using the term "paleo" really loosely I don't know what "low carb" technically is, but pretty much anything would be low carb compared to where I started i.e. almost all calories coming from grains, dairy and SUGAR (and fruits, legumes and veggies). I feel like I messed up my body with 2 vegetarian pregnancies and nursing... I'm naturally skinny--no matter if I work out or am sedentary, and I never restrict my calories intentionally (sometimes I miss a meal, because I'm too busy chasing kids around), but I usually make up for that with some sort of a cheesecake binge...

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