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  • Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
    Not having to unbutton my pants after a huge, delicious, and satisfying meal. I went for a walk and felt energetic!
    I know! I went out for dinner for my sister's birthday the other day and she ordered pasta. I ate a larger volume of food by far, (she only ate half the pasta dish) but complained of being overstuffed and uncomfortable for a good while after the meal. She's actually the one who suggested paleo to me, so she knows better, but can't seem to put it into practice.

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    • The other day, I was down spot-scrubbing the floor along the edges and in the corners. In a squat position. After first moving things out of the way to clear the floor. I had no soreness afterwards.

      I can do full pushups without any assistance from my knees. They're not exactly pretty, but still, it's something I couldn't do a year ago.
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      • Originally posted by SteveO View Post
        Not me. I'm wearing a jacket a lot more than the last few years. Apparently, I was better-insulated before. LOL
        Don't carbs burn hotter, or something? I can get cold in the house if I'm too low carb.

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        • Originally posted by jfreaksho View Post
          Don't carbs burn hotter, or something? I can get cold in the house if I'm too low carb.
          uhm? joke right?

          The small calorie or gram calorie approximates the energy needed to increase the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 C. This is about 4.2 joules.

          doesnt matter what you burn, it isnt going to create more than 4.2 joules
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          • Originally posted by quelsen View Post
            uhm? joke right?

            The small calorie or gram calorie approximates the energy needed to increase the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 C. This is about 4.2 joules.

            doesnt matter what you burn, it isnt going to create more than 4.2 joules
            Doesn't this assume that your body is processing calories from fat and calories from carbs in more or less the same manner, and extracting all the available energy from both?

            I'm not going to lie, I have no idea if what I said earlier is correct or not, but what you said seems to be rather like "calories in, calories out". Isn't it possible that the difference in the way your body processes the two types of fuel could include a difference in heat? It won't create more than 4.2 joules, but they both could create less and still have a difference.

            Maybe my perception of temperature is different since I spent a year on a subtropical island, but I feel like my hands are more consistently cold than they used to be. Maybe I spend too much time sitting around. Maybe I've lost insulation along with those forty pounds.

            The more I think about it, though, I'm probably just aware of it more because people here mention that being fixed for them, and it isn't for me. I can remember sitting at my old job with cold hands, like I did today.

            In summary, I'm probably full of crap, but I'm not convinced you are necessarily correct either.

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            • :-)

              That is OK.

              Since I went Ketogenic I have noticed an increased perception of heat, however since i am fastidious about taking my temp it has only increased about 0.6 degrees on average.

              Given both our experiences i surmise that variances of 0.2 degrees are extremely noticeable :-)

              however the body doesnt really burn sugar anyway. it burns lipids. it turns the glucose into lipids, and that takes energy so maybe carbs burn colder?
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              • I'm just a whole little bundle of happiness now. Can't help myself, I'm so darned happy and optomistic, it's almost sickening

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                • Originally posted by Bron View Post
                  I'm just a whole little bundle of happiness now. Can't help myself, I'm so darned happy and optomistic, it's almost sickening
                  yup- gross!
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                  • Originally posted by Bron View Post
                    I'm just a whole little bundle of happiness now. Can't help myself, I'm so darned happy and optomistic, it's almost sickening
                    Well snap out of it - the World is a horrible place and we're all doomed.

                    JK

                    I know what you mean. I've always been a bit Pollyanna-ish, but this is ridiculous. Pretty cool, ain't it?

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                    • I can function like a normal human being at this time of year!!!!

                      I haven't been "happy" in mid-winter since childhood. Seasonal Affective Disorder sucks! Every day I'd get home from work, not care what my kids did at school, what they were saying at the moment, what was for dinner, DH had to leave me alone or get his head bit off -- I just wanted to fall asleep in my recliner. The rest of the world could go $)^#w itself... or not. I just didn't care.

                      I'm still no one's idea of Happy-Happy-Joy-Joy, but helped my son with homework, ran out and spent one of my gift cards and built some killer beef stew with parsnips last night AFTER the sun went down! I enjoyed getting ready for Christmas, am looking forward to New Year's Eve --- and attribute it ALL to living mostly Primal.

                      I haz a lyfe!
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                      • "The small calorie or gram calorie approximates the energy needed to increase the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 C. This is about 4.2 joules.

                        doesnt matter what you burn, it isnt going to create more than 4.2 joules "

                        Better check your definition of a calorie. A food calorie is actually a Kcalorie IIRC.

                        Also a fair amount of recent reseach that upsets the CW around how many calories in different macro nutrients and how much food preparation can affect calorie burn.

                        Cheers
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                        Last edited by twa2w; 12-28-2011, 07:17 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by twa2w View Post
                          "The small calorie or gram calorie approximates the energy needed to increase the temperature of 1 gram of water by 1 C. This is about 4.2 joules.

                          doesnt matter what you burn, it isnt going to create more than 4.2 joules "

                          Better check your definition of a calorie. A food calorie is actually a Kcalorie IIRC.

                          Also a fair amount of recent reseach that upsets the CW around how many calories in different macro nutrients and how much food preparation can affect calorie burn.

                          Cheers
                          J
                          multiply the small calorie by 1000 to get a kilocalorie, but i would have expected that to be obvious.

                          Would love a citation on the difference from the standard protein = 4 carb = 4 and fat = 9
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                          • Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                            multiply the small calorie by 1000 to get a kilocalorie, but i would have expected that to be obvious.

                            Would love a citation on the difference from the standard protein = 4 carb = 4 and fat = 9
                            I think that standard wisdom comes from burning a known amount of food and measuring the heat expended. The problem is that your body doesn't burn calories in quite the same way- as we all know, carbohydrates are processed by your body differently than fats, which is processed differently than proteins. None of this involves "burning" like is done in a caloric chamber, or whatever they are called. I don't have any citations and I don't feel like looking right now, but it seems logical that
                            1. Some of the chemical reactions that your body uses to process carbohydrates might produce more or less heat than some of the reactions that your body uses to process fats or proteins.
                            2. Carbohydrates, depending on type, may be excreted in greater or lesser amounts than fats, depending on type.

                            If we're going pure fat against pure glucose... I still have no idea. I'm just postulating.

                            One anecdotal piece of evidence that goes against my line of reasoning (that carbs produce more heat) is that the Army, once upon a time, would feed very high-fat diets to soldiers stationed in very cold places. The extra calories were needed to maintain body heat, which is a huge expense of calories in cold weather, and a good part of the reason Michael Phelps needs 8000 calories per day (as water of a given temperature draws more heat from your body than does air at that temperature).

                            I'm pretty sure my original theory was wrong, but it's still an interesting question.

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                            • :-) Bonus points to you sir
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                              • Weird little bonuses or I don't know what they are, actually. Hormonal changes perhaps. Plus some negatives:
                                - Definitely feel way more cheerful and stable and confident.
                                - Less driven by hunger. Less need to eat. Less fear of food.
                                - When my food is really high-quality (real eggs with orange yolks, grass-fed, lots of real animal fat) I feel like a totally different creature. I can't explain it exactly, but I feel like everything about me works differently.
                                - I feel like I don't need to wash my hair. I do wash it at least every 4 days or so, but sometimes I don't think I need to do it even that much.
                                - My skin is still very dry, though. I don't feel much need to wash my body, either, except the 'active' parts. Could be because it's winter.
                                - I had a pre-cancerous lesion on my face that seems to have gone away on its own.
                                - I get more "clingons" which I do not like at all.
                                - I feel like I can breathe better. Not that I had any trouble with it before, it just feels better.
                                - I did lose some weight but I haven't lost any for a while now. But I feel freedom that when I pull pants out of the drier I will be able to put them on.
                                - I feel like I don't get as stinky under my arms. I only use baking soda under my arms.
                                - I feel like I sleep better, not that I had any trouble with that before.
                                - I have not been exercising very much. I get sore now doing stupid things like sitting on the floor doing crafts. I need to fix that, but since I was able to lose weight without exercise, I just don't feel compelled to exercise. I guess I'm lazy now.
                                - Sweet things are way too sweet. Almost gagged on a sip of diet soda. Ew. That is NOT food.
                                - I have a certain amount of anger and rage that is increasing toward food companies and the agricultural industry, the medical industry and corporate America. But I kind of want to keep the secret to good health to myself. Let them all kill themselves with crap food and leave the grass-fed butter, meat and pastured eggs all to me.
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