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    Hi All,

    How low carb are you guys?

    I suppose I should say why I am asking. I am an NIDDM (noninsulin-dependent diabetes mellitus or Type 2 Diabetic). I am completely drug free since late September and control my Diabetes with a very low carb diet and herbs. I am 15 grams carbs max per meal and 60 max per day and no banking and no fiber balancing.

    And, I am teaching myself to cook. Seems to me that most of what I cook is Paleo, if not all. Low carb plants,
    fat, meat. No grains.

    Diabetic specific sites are not a real good place for me as there are both high carb (don't ask) and low carb Diabetics. And championing one over the other will cause the fur to fly, especially since one of the favorite drugs for T2 is Metformin and one of the side effects is that it turns you into a prat (crabby, testy, etc., I speak from experience). Doesn't make for good conversation.

    So I was wondering just how different your carbs were from mine and if this would be a good site for me to learn better how to cook for my condition.

    Many thanks,
    -T

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    Congrats on controlling your blood sugars with your diet!

    I eat a ketogenic Primal diet, so under 50 gm net carbs per day. Not diabetic, but very glucose-intolerant.

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    • #3
      I have hyperglycemia (should have said hypoglycemia), and have gone very low carb, eating more fat in the form of coconut oil, real butter, and high-fat milk/yogurt, and no grains except oat bran in 2-3 grain-free pancakes twice a week has really helped. I fill up on leafy greens probably more so than I do on meat, although I do eat protein with every meal. Snacks are boiled eggs or homemade sausage. Scotch Eggs - boiled eggs wrapped in pork/beef mixture, and then baked = YUM! =D Look for Rivven and his post on sandwich bread. He's a genious! =D

      Every "body" is different, so you have to do what is right for yours. There's a discussion on Adkin's diet that he came out with in '72 here: Living Low Carb. It is stricter than the current plan that he rewrote. Adkins died of a head injury - not a high-cholesterol heart attack, which has been spread all over the 'Net. I feel like he was attacked posthumously because his way of dieting did not conform to Big Pharma, and the doctors who push "Eat more grains."

      Greens go well with everything, but I like mine with steamed brussels sprouts, sauteed mushrooms & onions, 1/4 of a red bell pepper, and then drizzle a couple of tablespoons of coconut oil over the whole thing.

      There is plenty to read here. Good luck!
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      • #4
        I go for 100g a day max. I'm not diabetic or have any medical condition. I feel good on 100g. I feel calm.
        Instinctively I would say that I **sense** in myself that I could become diabetic if I ate the (UK) recommended 250g carbs a day (most people EASILY exceed their 250g in sweets, fizzy drinks, booze and bread alone). I say this cos a) I'm an apple body shape b) pre low carb I suffered with huge carb cravings, blood sugar lows after indulging,the typical cycle..always starving..eat carbs..crash & be moody &feel like I'm gonna die if I don't eat..eat a carb start again. c) if I eat excessive sugar (I'm talking two cans of fizz)I get palpitations and I'm hyper and then I crash.
        I feel some peoples systems are sugar sensitive and just can't handle more than Xgrams carb a day. One persons limit might be 50g, another 150g.
        How did you arrive at 60g? How do you feel on 60g? How did you feel on high carb?

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        • #5
          Hi Sondra,

          Thank you. I hate those Diabetic drugs. It wouldn't surprise me if they all eventually wound up ending their life cycles in class action suites. And, I would posit that most could control T2 with diet, if they put their mind to it. I could be wrong.

          You sound very similar to me. Sometimes I go into keytosis, but not on purpose. I usually come in around 40 to 60 grams carbs per day. I try to stick with organic/natural meat so the fat won't have pestisides/poisons etc. in it.

          Do you raise your own goose eggs? How do they differ from Chicken eggs? (The chicken at the local organic farm are hysterical.)

          The chocolate butter? Do you use it like a spread? Or a candy bar?

          -T
          Last edited by ToddAndMargo; 12-23-2013, 06:27 PM.

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          • #6
            Hi Sondra,

            Do you make you own broth (not soup)? I have no access to organic beef bones, but do have access to organic chicken. And I make the most awesome broth. My allopath (GP doctor) says broth has the most incredible healing powers. Takes about 5 hours to make.

            -T

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ToddAndMargo View Post
              Hi Sondra,

              Thank you. I hate those Diabetic drugs. It wouldn't surprise me if they all eventually wound up ending their life cycles in class action suites. And, I would posit that most could control T2 with diet, if they put their mind to it. I could be wrong.

              You sound very similar to me. Sometimes I go into ketosis, but not on purpose. I usually come in around 40 to 60 grams carbs per day. I try to stick with organic/natural meat so the fat won't have pesticides/poisons etc. in it.

              Do you raise your own goose eggs? How do they differ from Chicken eggs? (The chicken at the local organic farm are hysterical.)

              The chocolate butter? Do you use it like a spread? Or a candy bar?

              -T
              No, the duck eggs are from a local farm. They are a bit bigger and fattier than chicken eggs.

              We cut the chocolate butter into small pieces and store them in the freezer. About 3 gm net carbs per piece.
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                Originally posted by ToddAndMargo View Post
                Hi Sondra,

                Do you make you own broth (not soup)? I have no access to organic beef bones, but do have access to organic chicken. And I make the most awesome broth. My allopath (GP doctor) says broth has the most incredible healing powers. Takes about 5 hours to make.

                -T
                Yes. My husband is the chef in the family. He makes bone broth with beef or lamb bones, mostly. 72 hours in a crockpot. Just water to cover & some vinegar to help leach the minerals from the bones.
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                • #9
                  Welcome! I have normal BG but lots of T2D in the family.

                  I generally aim for a "quarter carb" diet in contrast to the average "half carb" diet. My general guidelines are to confine carbohydrates (and often food in general) to a minority 1/4~1/3 of the day so lipolysis gets daily use, and I'm pretty discriminating about the sources. Dinner usually has a tuber side and fruit dessert. Lunch sometimes is a rice bowl/bento due to convenience. Never sugar, wheat, corn, oats, etc. and very rarely beans or quinoa if it's served unexpectedly.
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                  • #10
                    I'm around 80-90 carbs per day -- like you, I don't do any of the "net" business. I don't have diabetes or any problems, though.

                    My diet is as follows on a given day:

                    Breakfast (10 am) -- 10-ish oz of fresh green juice (kale, cilantro, parsley, cucumber, celery, ginger, and lemon/lime -- i'm growing wheat grass to add in) and 2-3 eggs (fried in butter or hard-boiled -- hard boiled are my favorite);

                    Snack (if any -- 2:30-ish) -- hand full of nuts, orange.

                    Dinner (5 pm) -- steak/fish/chicken and big salad (greens and sprouts, bell pepper, cucumber, tomato, and avocado with 1/2 tbsp Udo's perfect blend oil) or steamed veggies (steamed in home made bone broth -- broccoli, cauliflower). I also eat raw brussels sprouts and asparagus salads, or add them to our big salad. I like to have the asparagus steep a bit in olive oil and lemon juice for about an hour before tossing it into the salad.

                    I might finish up after dinner with some frozen berries and coconut cream (or make a raw ice cream of coconut cream, frozen berries -- pushed through my masticating juicer with the special head for that purpose). But, I do this maybe once a week? Not usually that often.

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                    • #11
                      Congradulations on getting your sugar under control!

                      My diabetic aunt has started a low carb (not primal/paleo tho) diet with some success as well; it seems like the way to go if you have insulin/blood sugar issues.

                      I personally aim more towards a PHD moderate carb diet, although avoiding most grains and sugar. This is because I am underweight and have a dysfunctional thyroid.

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                      • #12
                        I try to get 200g a day

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Polecatz View Post
                          I go for 100g a day max. I'm not diabetic or have any medical condition. I feel good on 100g. I feel calm.
                          Instinctively I would say that I **sense** in myself that I could become diabetic if I ate the (UK) recommended 250g carbs a day (most people EASILY exceed their 250g in sweets, fizzy drinks, booze and bread alone). I say this cos a) I'm an apple body shape b) pre low carb I suffered with huge carb cravings, blood sugar lows after indulging,the typical cycle..always starving..eat carbs..crash & be moody &feel like I'm gonna die if I don't eat..eat a carb start again. c) if I eat excessive sugar (I'm talking two cans of fizz)I get palpitations and I'm hyper and then I crash.
                          I feel some peoples systems are sugar sensitive and just can't handle more than Xgrams carb a day. One persons limit might be 50g, another 150g.
                          How did you arrive at 60g? How do you feel on 60g? How did you feel on high carb?

                          Hi Polecatz,

                          What does Polecatz mean in UK? In America, Polecat (no "z") means a Skunk. :-)

                          250 a day! US Agriculture dept has a recommended daily carb calculator where you put your weight, height and age into it and presto! mine is 380! This is really bad. No wonder one out of six are going to get T2. Back in Paleo days this was not possible as our food was not artificially hybridized for high carb.

                          I had all the symptoms you spoke of except I could no longer could get a hypo (low blood sugar that makes you dizzy) as I was insulin resistant and could no longer get low blood sugar. I loved my pasta, grains, rice corn, potatoes (all kinds). I stayed away from sugar but not "healthy carbs". I did not realize there was no such thing. To my body I was eating bag after bag after bag of sugar. I got pretty ill (stomach cramps, etc. but no dizzy) when I got hungry too.

                          When I got inducted into the pin cushion club 13 months ago, I was in diabetic keytoacedosis so bad I was huffing and puffing like a reciprocating engine. Pretty loud too. I could hardly move. I was losing weight and starving to death with a full belly. The Emergency Room (ER) doctor though I had heart problems. My heart was fine (I credit that to my use of Turmeric for hay fever). "The good new is your heart is in great condition. The bad news is your are T2 Diabetic." I was so happy my heart was fine, I was giddy. I bought some steaks to celebrate. It wasn't till the next day that it sunk in. "Oh [expletive deleted] I am Diabetic!"
                          Th ER doctor wanted all the detains on the Tumeric as my heart should have been messed up from all the insulin and glucose.

                          I was on Metformin for 11 months. The side effects are nasty. Turns you into a prat. Each time I backed off, my blood glucose dropped. So, a rebound effect too. Now I know the proper hers to heal my pancreas and to control any unexpected peaks.

                          The 60 came from the ER doctor. He has now saved my live twice. He sat with me for about an hour explaining everything to me. My wife and I then researched the dickens out of it, including Mark's recommendation. Mark really knows his stuff. I verified him for a good two months before I took him a face value.

                          And now that most of the Metformin is out of my system, I feel better than I have felt in years. And I am never hungry, unless it is my own fault. When I am hungry, it is just hunger, I am not on the floor in pain. Some of my hair is starting to turn black and little patches a growing back again. But only a little -- rats! And, I am getting my energy back again. My butcher and have an understanding: I am an not allergic to fat and he doesn't trim it off. I only blow off keytones when I accidentally diet (fast). And they are no longer the dangerous ketones from diabetic keytoacedisis. The tingling i my feet is going down (love Comfrey cream for that.)

                          An my wife eat the same as I do so as to not tempt me to to go off the wagon. What a supportive blessing she has been. And I am learning to cook. I now eat better food and have more variety than I have every had in my life! I never go hungry. So far this T2 has turned out to be a blessing in so many ways.

                          I turned my back on carbs and am not looking back. When I see someone eat a pizza, I am not envious, I am upset at all the carbs being consumed and the one out of six thing. (I have a high carb T2 acquaintance who has two prosthetic legs, had a massive heart attack, is on dialysis and the kidney transplant list. So pizza to me mean prosthetic feet.)

                          And since the black curtain of the Metformin has lifted, I tend to blab on and on and on, as you can tell. (My wife likes it, but I think I might embarrass myself in public a bit.)

                          If your blood glucose is okay on 100 and no wild swings, I would say you are doing great. It is the swings that get you.

                          Speaking of the UK. I love Classic FM! I listen over the Internet.

                          -T

                          Eating like my ancestors. Who would have thought!

                          Oh you know what? Orcas (killer whales) are mammals, eats no carbs (except fish eggs), live in very close family units, and live into their 90's. I think they know something we lost.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ToddAndMargo View Post
                            Hi Polecatz,

                            What does Polecatz mean in UK? In America, Polecat (no "z") means a Skunk. :-)

                            250 a day! US Agriculture dept has a recommended daily carb calculator where you put your weight, height and age into it and presto! mine is 380! This is really bad. No wonder one out of six are going to get T2. Back in Paleo days this was not possible as our food was not artificially hybridized for high carb.

                            I had all the symptoms you spoke of except I could no longer could get a hypo (low blood sugar that makes you dizzy) as I was insulin resistant and could no longer get low blood sugar. I loved my pasta, grains, rice corn, potatoes (all kinds). I stayed away from sugar but not "healthy carbs". I did not realize there was no such thing. To my body I was eating bag after bag after bag of sugar. I got pretty ill (stomach cramps, etc. but no dizzy) when I got hungry too.

                            When I got inducted into the pin cushion club 13 months ago, I was in diabetic keytoacedosis so bad I was huffing and puffing like a reciprocating engine. Pretty loud too. I could hardly move. I was losing weight and starving to death with a full belly. The Emergency Room (ER) doctor though I had heart problems. My heart was fine (I credit that to my use of Turmeric for hay fever). "The good new is your heart is in great condition. The bad news is your are T2 Diabetic." I was so happy my heart was fine, I was giddy. I bought some steaks to celebrate. It wasn't till the next day that it sunk in. "Oh [expletive deleted] I am Diabetic!"
                            Th ER doctor wanted all the detains on the Tumeric as my heart should have been messed up from all the insulin and glucose.

                            I was on Metformin for 11 months. The side effects are nasty. Turns you into a prat. Each time I backed off, my blood glucose dropped. So, a rebound effect too. Now I know the proper hers to heal my pancreas and to control any unexpected peaks.

                            The 60 came from the ER doctor. He has now saved my live twice. He sat with me for about an hour explaining everything to me. My wife and I then researched the dickens out of it, including Mark's recommendation. Mark really knows his stuff. I verified him for a good two months before I took him a face value.

                            And now that most of the Metformin is out of my system, I feel better than I have felt in years. And I am never hungry, unless it is my own fault. When I am hungry, it is just hunger, I am not on the floor in pain. Some of my hair is starting to turn black and little patches a growing back again. But only a little -- rats! And, I am getting my energy back again. My butcher and have an understanding: I am an not allergic to fat and he doesn't trim it off. I only blow off keytones when I accidentally diet (fast). And they are no longer the dangerous ketones from diabetic keytoacedisis. The tingling i my feet is going down (love Comfrey cream for that.)

                            An my wife eat the same as I do so as to not tempt me to to go off the wagon. What a supportive blessing she has been. And I am learning to cook. I now eat better food and have more variety than I have every had in my life! I never go hungry. So far this T2 has turned out to be a blessing in so many ways.

                            I turned my back on carbs and am not looking back. When I see someone eat a pizza, I am not envious, I am upset at all the carbs being consumed and the one out of six thing. (I have a high carb T2 acquaintance who has two prosthetic legs, had a massive heart attack, is on dialysis and the kidney transplant list. So pizza to me mean prosthetic feet.)

                            And since the black curtain of the Metformin has lifted, I tend to blab on and on and on, as you can tell. (My wife likes it, but I think I might embarrass myself in public a bit.)

                            If your blood glucose is okay on 100 and no wild swings, I would say you are doing great. It is the swings that get you.

                            Speaking of the UK. I love Classic FM! I listen over the Internet.

                            -T

                            Eating like my ancestors. Who would have thought!

                            Oh you know what? Orcas (killer whales) are mammals, eats no carbs (except fish eggs), live in very close family units, and live into their 90's. I think they know something we lost.
                            Hi. Your story is interesting. Did you have mid section fat as you said you were underweight? Were you tired a lot? I'm glad you have taken control and are getting your health back!
                            A European Polecat is like a weasel or stoat. The z is for plural. I just thought they look cute even though they prob do smell like skunks!!
                            Have you seen Blackfish re the Orcas?

                            I think the UK amount of carbs is 250g as that's what is on the back of food packaging (ie they have a vested interest). 380g is obscene and what a joke that US Agriculture are allowed to give health advice. Nonetheless many people I know live on cheap carbs and fizzy drinks. I don't envy them as they are the ones who are always hungry and tired like I used to be.

                            It feels great to be freed from the hunger monster. I used to b terrified of going without food. I'd feel very aggressive if I was deprived. I'd always be knackered and needed about 10hr sleep to function - except I struggled to sleep!

                            I don't think T2 is being taken seriously. A relative of mine has it (not blood related). He seems to think it means he has to eat all the time and that he has to avoid sugar (correct) and replace with artificial sweetener and simple carbs (bread, pots, rice). I look at his huge piles of white rice and think "sugar addict by another name". Sugar is evil and it's killing people. But people don't look at stuff like rice and corn as sugar. I can self regulate because I've learned to be disciplined. A lot of folks can't because that stuff is seriously rewarding for the brain. I worry for him esp as the docs told him to cut down on fat and eat more carbs.
                            Yeah I don't get swings. I think from what you're saying swings could be dangerous?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ToddAndMargo View Post
                              Hi All,

                              How low carb are you guys?
                              Hi,
                              Depends. I don't count. Some days: 0 carb, others > 200g.

                              Originally posted by ToddAndMargo View Post
                              I suppose I should say why I am asking. I am an NIDDM (noninsulin-dependent diabetes mellitus or Type 2 Diabetic). I am completely drug free since late September and control my Diabetes with a very low carb diet and herbs. I am 15 grams carbs max per meal and 60 max per day and no banking and no fiber balancing.
                              If you add raw potato starch (2Tbsp in water, on empty stomach, and 2Tbsp in water before bed), I believe your bood glucose will regulate mucho better! See freetheanimal.com for details about resistant starch.

                              Originally posted by ToddAndMargo View Post
                              And, I am teaching myself to cook. Seems to me that most of what I cook is Paleo, if not all. Low carb plants,
                              fat, meat. No grains.
                              Paleo is also tubers, i.e. starchy plant, don't think otherwise. In fact, paleo diets probably included a lot of starchy stuff.

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