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    When I eat a primal meal, I'm still feeling hungry after each meal.... Tried adding more veggies and fat, but still feel like my body is graving more sugar... Always had insulin issues, not sure if my body is still adjusting... Its been 5 months.... Any thoughts? For example, if I eat a meal like Marks primal salad, I immediately feel hungry and moody right after the meal???

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    What do you eat in a typical day, and what are your stats?

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    • #3
      Have you been having regular "cheat" meals? I know that if I have something high in sugar or carbs, I have cravings for the next several days. I am not one of those folks that can enjoy a piece of dark chocolate on occasion or sugar in my coffee without raging for an entire chocolate cake for a couple days after.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by supersellen View Post
        Have you been having regular "cheat" meals? I know that if I have something high in sugar or carbs, I have cravings for the next several days. I am not one of those folks that can enjoy a piece of dark chocolate on occasion or sugar in my coffee without raging for an entire chocolate cake for a couple days after.
        I am genuinely curious about this because I really don't understand it. If you eat a piece of dark chocolate, do you get cravings so intense that you cannot help but spiral down into eating all sorts of other junk? I don't know if it's just like someone who's never gone through heroin withdrawal can't understand what someone quitting the drug goes through, but I really don't understand how sooooo many people on here can't eat the slightest bit or sugar or slightest bit of grain without spiraling into days of decadent gorging and shitting blood and migraines.

        Is it because I am healthy and my body doesn't swing wildly back and forth? Is it because I'm young? Is it because I have strong will power? I am honestly so confused about this!

        I have been researching the past few days for biological reasons as to why some people eating 1/8th tsp of panko on some shrimp could cause them to have blinding headaches and a full 24 hours of recovery and the only thing I can find is that these are most likely psychosomatic responses they are giving themselves in response to ingesting something that they view as poisonous.

        Also this is probably the wrong thread for this, maybe I should move it or start a new post or something.

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        • #5
          I'm relatively healthy and young, but for whatever reason, going to excess on carbs can really affect my hunger. I typically don't eat breakfast (have never been into it) and don't get hungry before lunch, or even necessarily feel hungry at lunch. But a few weeks ago I was at a birthday and said to hell with it and dug into the cake and high sugar lemonade pretty recklessly. Despite the fact that I ate my ass off, the next morning I was more ravenously hungry than I have been in ages. So there is something to it, but IMO, hunger is pretty easy to ignore, especially when you know what's causing it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rivvin View Post
            I am genuinely curious about this because I really don't understand it. If you eat a piece of dark chocolate, do you get cravings so intense that you cannot help but spiral down into eating all sorts of other junk? I don't know if it's just like someone who's never gone through heroin withdrawal can't understand what someone quitting the drug goes through, but I really don't understand how sooooo many people on here can't eat the slightest bit or sugar or slightest bit of grain without spiraling into days of decadent gorging and shitting blood and migraines.
            sugar is a rather addictive substance and some people can handle it better than others. even the slightest hint of something you're addicted to can send you spiraling out of control. its like when someone quits smoking, they have to stay away from smokers for a while, because even the slightest whiff of smoke can trigger those overwhelming urges. they can trigger easily. when i was weaning myself off my own sugar addiction, for a while there i just had to stay away from anything with sugar in it, and even stuff that *suggested* sugar, like 100% chocolate.

            here is a good article on the subject.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mdlaw View Post
              I'm relatively healthy and young, but for whatever reason, going to excess on carbs can really affect my hunger. I typically don't eat breakfast (have never been into it) and don't get hungry before lunch, or even necessarily feel hungry at lunch. But a few weeks ago I was at a birthday and said to hell with it and dug into the cake and high sugar lemonade pretty recklessly. Despite the fact that I ate my ass off, the next morning I was more ravenously hungry than I have been in ages. So there is something to it, but IMO, hunger is pretty easy to ignore, especially when you know what's causing it.
              I totally agree with this... eating a cake bomb and lemonade is a definite way to get the cravings going... even I would have cravings with that!

              What I am confused about is the people who can't tolerate a piece of chocolate or a tablespoon of bread crumbs. I know it sounds like I am exaggerating, but those are the amounts I have seen people mention in regards to cravings and pain. I don't advocate eating bread crumbs or eating dark chocolate every night (but once or twice a week - go for it!), but if I am at a restaurant and order some fish that comes with a light panko breading because the menu was unclear... I am not going to go home and shit blood while harboring migraines and muscle weakness.

              I guess what I'm trying to say is: What biological responses can become so intense that these minute amounts can cause such big reactions?


              EDIT:
              That is a great link Batty, thank you for that article. I think maybe I need to read into actual addictions instead of looking for responses specifically to sugar and grain. Perhaps I was not thinking broad enough in reasons why these severe physical responses occur. I know if I ate a tablespoon of panko and had to spend 24 hours in bed, I would probably be going to the doctor for a diagnosis!
              Last edited by Rivvin; 08-10-2010, 06:22 AM.

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              • #8
                Rivvin... I'm guessing the reason you don't have that issue is EXACTLY because you're young and healthy. I know that I used to not have issues like that at all, but as I age (I'm 42 now) and as my health has crapped out (thyroid, adrenal, insulin resistance), my body no longer has much of a tolerance for stuff it used to. It's wierd to me as well, and it's my body, so I get how you don't "get" it. Right now I can drink one glass of wine and the next day I'll be craving carby crap and sugar all day. I don't necessarily cave, though, most of the time I power through it, but I've had times where I've given in. I think that if you abuse your body for long enough (25 years of diet coke and carby stuff... even healthy carby stuff) it just takes it's toll. your body tries to cope for years, but eventually just can't keep up. Anyway, that's my theory on the whole dealio...

                As for the OP... definitely post your typical daily meals. You might think you're "adding fat", and you're WAY below what most people eat. Or you may be having more carbs than works for your body (it's different for everyone, so a lot of trial and error.)
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                • #9
                  Thank you Minxxa, your post was very insightful! It's amazing how different everyone's body can be, and it blows me away how we all react differently to what we put in them!

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                  • #10
                    I've found that it depends on what I eat. For example, if my protein is steak I feel full. If it is chicken I am hungry soon after. Fish and pork fall somewhere in between. I've not felt too many cravings until this week because last week I ended up eating junk with my stepkids and husband. Now I'm trying to get back on track.

                    I second the other posters and suggest posting your daily intake in detail. You might not be getting as much fat as you think, or your protein choices might need to be varied.
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                    • #11
                      Are you starting a thread Rivvin? I'd answer, but I feel like I'm thread-jacking.

                      To the OP, I find a little starch in my diet adds a certain physical satisfaction and fullness I just don't get otherwise.

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                      • #12
                        Rivvin, I think it's a very good question. Up until I was 28, I never had a reaction from sugar in my life (that I knew of - there were subtle things, like a constantly stuffy nose (so constant that I never realized it was stuffed until suddenly it went away when I got rid of the grains & sugar for the first time) & not being able to sing my full range (didn't know I was limited until I dropped the grains & sugar and gained 5 notes!)) - no bloating, no craving, no hyperness, no crashes, no hangovers.

                        Then one day I got dizzy after sugar. And the next day I was so light-headed that I couldn't stand up fast. From then on, the symptoms got worse until now, at 34, the list of reactions is long, and includes reactions from all types of grains.

                        The difference is the gut. I think that most, if not all, people who have reactions to sugar & grains have compromised gut flora. There are many reasons why - our modern lifestyle includes so many things that can be lifesaving, but still have negative effects on gut bacteria, including c-section births, formula, vaccines, antibiotics, hormonal contraception, mercury fillings, & even appendectomies. Once your gut flora are compromised, opportunistic yeast like candida can take over, and they create cravings b/c they live off of sugar & grains. The bad gut beasties excrete lots of gas, blowing up your belly. It becomes a vicious cycle as they demand more grains/sugar, which create more of them to demand more grains/sugar to create more of them ...

                        If your gut is fine, you don't tend to have a problem with sugar in moderation. My husband has NO problem with it in moderation. If you gut is compromised, it gets worse over time until you stop to heal it, by eliminating the grains & sugar for as long as it takes to heal, which can be months if you're lucky, or years if you've gone down the path to Crohn's or celiac disease or autism.

                        My problems started when I was on round after round of antibiotics over a period of about 3-5 years. It took a good 4 years for me to get bad enough where I started to feel the sugar reaction, although the cravings started long before that. I've since learned how to prevent and treat the infections without antibiotics, and am seeing a dramatic decrease in cravings and reactions as I get further and further away from the sugar/grain intake. I see a lot of hope for the future, and have seen a lot of other people go down the same compromised gut path and recover from it with this same way of eating.
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                        • #13
                          OP - I agree; post a typical day. Protein - more than I realized - and fat have been crucial to killing the cravings for me.
                          5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                          Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                          Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                          Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                          ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rivvin View Post
                            I am genuinely curious about this because I really don't understand it. If you eat a piece of dark chocolate, do you get cravings so intense that you cannot help but spiral down into eating all sorts of other junk? I don't know if it's just like someone who's never gone through heroin withdrawal can't understand what someone quitting the drug goes through, but I really don't understand how sooooo many people on here can't eat the slightest bit or sugar or slightest bit of grain without spiraling into days of decadent gorging and shitting blood and migraines.

                            Is it because I am healthy and my body doesn't swing wildly back and forth? Is it because I'm young? Is it because I have strong will power? I am honestly so confused about this!

                            I have been researching the past few days for biological reasons as to why some people eating 1/8th tsp of panko on some shrimp could cause them to have blinding headaches and a full 24 hours of recovery and the only thing I can find is that these are most likely psychosomatic responses they are giving themselves in response to ingesting something that they view as poisonous.

                            Also this is probably the wrong thread for this, maybe I should move it or start a new post or something.
                            I neither shit blood or get migraines from either sugar or carbs. For me personally, I believe it is pretty much mental, not a taste of a previous addiction that sends me in a downward spiral. If I do eat a lot of gluten, I do get some digestive side effects, but it takes quite a bit. For me, a little bit of something is like breaking the seal, kind of like that first time you pee at the bar. I tend to be an all or nothing type personality, which is what I was alluding to, rather than an actual biological reaction.
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                            • #15
                              If I still feel hungry, but I know I ate enough food, I have a small salad with some olive oil and balsamic vinegar. I find the vinegar really relaxes those cravings for sugar and fat.

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