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  • Originally posted by thehallowprince View Post
    this is another point i can't understand. there is literally a huge portion of The Primal Blueprint about why it's all about insulin. I'm pretty sure there is a chapter called "(No Really) It's All About Insulin"

    Why are you here? It's a basic tenant of primal.

    I think THAT is the problem with this forum. You guys haven't read the book. Or any other books that explain it in black and white. Crazy lady on here talking about how she eats paleo/primal with high carb and low fat and 'not fit but no fat' bullplop.



    well your definition of 'hell of a lot of fat' is important, but if you look at the macronutrients in eating an animal it would be high fat and protein, super small carbs. yes, carbs would be in the diet. but nowhere near what anyone would consider 'high carb' or even 'medium carb'

    we're talking pre-agricultural revolution here people
    so whatever mark writes is gospel truth? I certainly hope you don't believe that. I've read the book. hell, I've read it twice. I've been on this forum since june of 2010. I keep abreast with other paleo sites. I stay on this forum because of the fact that it has a bunch of intelligent people who are helping to progress the paleo movement and provide new levels of understanding about ancestral eating. hell, mark doesn't even stick to his guns about what he wrote in the original book. why are you?

    ok. let's play this one out. so grok ate game meats, tubers, fruit, leafy greens, fish etc. right? high protein, low fat, moderate carb? grok ate nothing but meat and sticks. high protein, low fat low carb. how exactly is that consistent with adding butter to your coffee, or dousing veggies in butter or olive oil. well marbled beef? not paleo. domesticated livestock? not paleo. bacon? certainly not paleo . at the end of the day, paleo eating is pretty low fat.

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    • Originally posted by thehallowprince View Post
      Just because you're not gaining fat or not fat now doesn't mean you are healthy. This is explained very clearly in The Primal Blueprint.

      Additionally I call complete bullshit on this "what works for some doesn't work for others."

      BALONEY!

      Humans share 99% of their DNA with chimps. They share even more DNA with other human (obviously). For overweight unhealthy individuals looking to lose weight, a low carb, high fat, high protein diet is the way to go. It is all about insulin. Period.

      You are either healthy or unhealthy. There is no middle ground.
      Were you simultaneously trying to make a point and then refute your own point? I don't think you know how DNA works, and you obviously don't know how insulin works. Here, I'll help you out:

      The chromosomes you inherit consist of proteins called histones, which unwind to allow DNA to be read -- think of DNA like a computer code that uses 4 different chemical bases, which are recognized by letters A, C, G, and T. Your genes are strings of DNA which codes for polypeptides(chemically linked amino acids). The order of the aforementioned letters determine which polypeptide is made, and stringing different polypeptides together produces different proteins. This is what gives us our various different traits. Even further, the epigenome determines whether or not a string of DNA is read, which obviously differs between people. Going further with this, there are other things to consider like genetic distance, populations, etc; Now you should see how frivolous it is to try to base your diet around what your ancestors ate many, many years ago; or even more absurd -- what a different species eats.

      Your post is merely an argument from ignorance(fail to recognize how complex DNA is) using tautology.

      P.S. Grok is a fictitious character.
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      • Originally posted by thehallowprince View Post
        this is another point i can't understand. there is literally a huge portion of The Primal Blueprint about why it's all about insulin. I'm pretty sure there is a chapter called "(No Really) It's All About Insulin"

        Why are you here? It's a basic tenant of primal.

        I think THAT is the problem with this forum. You guys haven't read the book. Or any other books that explain it in black and white. Crazy lady on here talking about how she eats paleo/primal with high carb and low fat and 'not fit but no fat' bullplop.



        well your definition of 'hell of a lot of fat' is important, but if you look at the macronutrients in eating an animal it would be high fat and protein, super small carbs. yes, carbs would be in the diet. but nowhere near what anyone would consider 'high carb' or even 'medium carb'

        we're talking pre-agricultural revolution here people
        The Primal Blueprint is pseudoscience, using a priori assumption of a thing with descriptive(selective reading) or normative(subjective) principles proven through deductive reasoning rather than inductive science; submerged in tons of cherry picking. Reading the book, the message I took away was that the claims it makes(modern diseases in an umbrella definition for example) are impossible to quantify, unfalsifiable, and empirically useless.
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        • Originally posted by Zanna View Post
          I can't believe it took OP 15 pages to finally turn this thread into a classic MDA carb war.
          +1
          If I just said LOL, I lied. Do or do not. There is no try.

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          • Well, we'll all have to agree to disagree. I'm left with an unanswered question and an answered question.

            Unanswered Question - Why half or more of you people are here on the The Primal Blueprint's website for Mark Sisson when you don't subscribe to the basic outlines.

            Answered Question - Why all the good people left.
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            • Originally posted by Moochy View Post
              My take is that when Primal/Paleo was ramping up you had quite a few people who were extremely interested and well read seeking further knowledge. Lot's of folks who frequented this forum were fairly well read on paleo. Gradually they drifted away and were replaced by folks who frankly, have not educated themselves through reading. The value of the forum is no where as good as it was in the day which causes more knowledgeable folks to move on.
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                If by "well read" and"knowledgable" you mean of the PB book, mayyybe, although even that isn't true because most of is tried PB as written for more than a year before trying something else.

                I read scientific studies not blogs of gurus. If that means I am not well-read, then okay. I don't even really read ray peat stuff just the studies posted here and there that support his recs.
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                • Originally posted by thehallowprince View Post
                  Well, we'll all have to agree to disagree. I'm left with an unanswered question and an answered question.

                  Unanswered Question - Why half or more of you people are here on the The Primal Blueprint's website for Mark Sisson when you don't subscribe to the basic outlines.

                  Answered Question - Why all the good people left.
                  You have a problem with fallacies I see. These people left -> these people were good -> these people left because of these people is a leap across a causal chasm with each additional variable becoming less and less provable(conjunction fallacy).

                  You also proved my whole pseudoscience point by wanting a forum for your own exclusive safe group where you can all congratulate one another on your awesome progress, how right you are, and the others are just too unhealthy(LOL CAUSE OF THE CARBS AM I RIGHT GUYS) to get it. See: Funny CW moments thread.

                  Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree. You're still wrong though. If it makes you feel any better, I've personally all but abandoned this forum as well.
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                  • Maybe people are becoming hardcore paleo and staying away from the artificial light (computer screen).
                    Stumbled into Primal due to food allergies, and subsequent elimination of non-primal foods.

                    Start Gluten-Free/Soy-Free: December 2012; start weight 158lbs, Ladies size 6
                    Start Primal: March 2013, start weight 150lbs, Ladies size 6
                    Current: 132lbs, Ladies size 2
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                    • Originally posted by thehallowprince View Post
                      Well, we'll all have to agree to disagree. I'm left with an unanswered question and an answered question.

                      Unanswered Question - Why half or more of you people are here on the The Primal Blueprint's website for Mark Sisson when you don't subscribe to the basic outlines.

                      Answered Question - Why all the good people left.
                      you do realize that mark has changed his stance on a whole bunch of stuff that was originally in the book, right?

                      the way I see it is that you are still stuck on the book that mark wrote all those years ago. a book that he has amended time and time again with his blog posts. a book that actually needs a second edition. a book that has little actual science in it's favor. so if you want to stick to mark's original 2009 book, so be it. but to insult the people here who are past paleo/primal 101 and more in agreement of 2014 mark sisson, perfect health diet, ray peat, etc doesn't make any sense.

                      I get it sort of. you found mark's book. it changed your life. you moved on. you came back and didn't recognize the old neighborhood. it was weird and scary. now you're stuck in your shell. embrace evolution my friend. it's what humans have been doing for millions of years.

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                      • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                        I get it sort of. you found mark's book. it changed your life. you moved on. you came back and didn't recognize the old neighborhood. it was weird and scary. now you're stuck in your shell. embrace evolution my friend. it's what humans have been doing for millions of years.
                        Yes. And humans today are no different biologically than before the agricultural revolution. That's the point. We haven't changed. Our bodies were shaped by evolution to function best on a low carb, high fat, high protein diet. Most of you people are loons, i'm sorry, and I can't wait to see PB2.0 when you see how little truly has changed.

                        To quote Abe Simpson: "I used to be with it, but then they changed what *it* was. Now what I'm with isn't *it*, and what's *it* seems weird and scary to me. And it'll happen to you too."
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                        Male. 28. 6'4''. Currently working on them muscles and strength!

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                        • 1. Eat Lots of Plants and Animals
                          2. Avoid Poisonous Things
                          3. Move Frequently at a Slow Pace
                          4. Lift Heavy Things
                          5. Sprint Once in a While
                          6. Get Adequate Sleep
                          7. Play
                          8. Get Adequate Sunlight
                          9. Avoid Stupid Mistakes
                          10. Use Your Brain

                          Personally, I'm fine with eating mostly meat and vegetables, but that doesn't work for everybody. A lot of them decided to use their brains and found out that adding in dairy, eating more fruit and potatoes, researching resistant starches, looking at Ray Peat's ideas, etc. helped them to reach their personal goals. Good for them.

                          Anyway, I think #2 is probably the most important of them to learn. Grains and seed oils do so much harm, and probably 99+% of the people here agree on that.
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                          • Originally posted by Jefferson1775 View Post
                            Personally, I'm fine with eating mostly meat and vegetables, but that doesn't work for everybody. A lot of them decided to use their brains and found out that adding in dairy, eating more fruit and potatoes, researching resistant starches, looking at Ray Peat's ideas, etc. helped them to reach their personal goals. Good for them.
                            Call me crazy, but humans are humans. Our chemical make-ups are all the same. I call bullshit on these people, pure and simple.
                            March 1st 2010: 308lbs | CW: 219lbs / 18.5%BF | New Goal: 16% BF
                            Male. 28. 6'4''. Currently working on them muscles and strength!

                            "My chest hair caught fire when I was fighting a bear with a flamethrower, how do I get my hair back? - Rivvin

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                            • Originally posted by thehallowprince View Post
                              Yes. And humans today are no different biologically than before the agricultural revolution. That's the point. We haven't changed. Our bodies were shaped by evolution to function best on a low carb, high fat, high protein diet. Most of you people are loons, i'm sorry, and I can't wait to see PB2.0 when you see how little truly has changed.

                              To quote Abe Simpson: "I used to be with it, but then they changed what *it* was. Now what I'm with isn't *it*, and what's *it* seems weird and scary to me. And it'll happen to you too."
                              but high fat diets aren't evolutionarily correct anywhere. ever. so what gives?

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                              • Originally posted by thehallowprince View Post
                                Call me crazy, but humans are humans. Our chemical make-ups are all the same. I call bullshit on these people, pure and simple.
                                it isn't bullshit. believe what you want to believe

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