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  • #16
    I'm wondering what will happen for me, too, as I'm 8 yrs post surgery. I figured I might 'dry up' a bit without the oestrogen laden fat keeping my levels up.

    FWIW, when I went through this the first time, it was my acupuncturist that helped me to heal. I had one course of her cooling herbs and about 6 weeks of acupuncture in my spine. Each time she did it, I got relief from the flashes and general misery, and as the course went on the relief lasted longer and longer til it went away completely. If it happens again, I'll be knocking on her door!!

    Cillakat - where do I find your signature?

    LOL - I didn't read page 2, or notice the date!!
    Started Feb 18 2011

    Tried basic primal and almost everything else in pursuit of IBS control, mood stability, and weight loss.

    Journalling here

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    • #17
      Post breast cancer, my oncologist told me that the best thing I could do to help prevent a recurrence was to get the extra weight off of me because of all those little estrogen factories in the fat cells. Estrogen is the chemical trigger that turns breast cancer cells on. Getting a bit dried up is a small price to pay to avoid that. And I haven't even noticed that to be a problem. If I do, there is always a jar of coconut oil.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        Getting a bit dried up is a small price to pay . . . If I do, there is always a jar of coconut oil.
        I'm with you there, Paleo! I had wicked endo, and they couldn't get it all, so I suspect some of my gut issues are a result of the endo that was embedded in my intestine being fed by my fat. Getting the weight off has got to help either way (endo or IBS), and a bit of slippery help on occasion is no big deal (and possibly even extra fun).
        Last edited by Jac; 03-08-2011, 12:25 AM.
        Started Feb 18 2011

        Tried basic primal and almost everything else in pursuit of IBS control, mood stability, and weight loss.

        Journalling here

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
          Post breast cancer, my oncologist told me that the best thing I could do to help prevent a recurrence was to get the extra weight off of me because of all those little estrogen factories in the fat cells. Estrogen is the chemical trigger that turns breast cancer cells on. Getting a bit dried up is a small price to pay to avoid that. And I haven't even noticed that to be a problem. If I do, there is always a jar of coconut oil.
          I'm in the camp that believes this notion is CW, as applied to female hormones. It deserves as much critical thinking and analysis of the real facts as the cr*p we've been fed about how lipids cause heart disease. From what I've read, there has never been a study that demonstrated that estrogen caused breast cancer. It can however, increase the rate of growth of pre-existing cancers (if they are the estrogen-sensitive type). All of the studies that are quoted by allopathic doctors and repeated in the mainstream media, used synthetic conjugated and/or equine-derived estrogens that bind much more strongly to estrogen receptors than does human bio-identical estrogen. This is high test fuel compared to the 17-beta estradiol that our body really needs. Also worth mentioning is that recent studies demonstrate that replacing bio-identical testosterone along with estradiol and progesterone, results in a lower breast cancer rate than occurs in the women who take no hormones at all, indicating that testosterone replacement as part of combined bhrt is protective against breast cancer. And the last point I'll mention is that the rate of death from breast cancer is much, much lower than death caused by heart disease or even complications from osteoporosis. Estrogen is protective against both things, not to mention alzheimer's, dementia in general, depression, etc.

          I know cancer is a scary topic and I don't mean to offend anybody with heretical thinking...but then again, Gary Taubs, Mark Sisson, and adherents of Paleo nutrition also showed heretical thinking against mainstream CW nutrition so maybe it wouldn't hurt us to apply those same critical thinking standards to what we've being told about estrogen as the cause of breast cancer.
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          • #20
            This is curious, I hadn't thought of losing estrogen when you lose weight but lately I magically (I love Primal) lost 10 pounds and suddenly became super moody and PMS-y...even though it isn't close to that time of the month. I feel like I'm losing my mind with the mood swings. Could the sudden weight loss have triggered something estrogen related?
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            • #21
              Regarding the estrogen causing breast cancer.....I am afraid that I do believe the CW on this one. There have been numerous studies that show the longer a woman is exposed to reproductively high levels of even just her own natural estrogen, as measured by the number of years between menarche and menopause minus time out for childbirth and breast feeding, the higher the risk of breast cancer. Tamoxifen is effective in preventing recurrence of breast cancer because it is an estrogen receptor blocker. Estrogen stimulates the growth of breast tissue. It seems very logical to me that more exposure to it would correlate with higher rates of breast cancer, whether that estrogen comes from fat cells, ovaries, pills, or patches or even horse urine. Synthetic, conjugated estrogens may cause even MORE cancer than bioidentical estrogen because they bind more tightly to estrogen receptors, but even here you are admitting that estrogen bound to an estrogen sensitive cell for a longer period of time (more tightly bound) causes cancer. Estrogen bound to estrogen receptors is a proven factor in the development of breast cancer. The less circulating estrogen, the less time the estrogen is bound, the more the estrogen receptors are blocked the LESS CANCER there will be.

              I use an estradiol patch. I am not telling myself that this is risk free because I don't believe it is. I am keeping my carbs low so that higher exposure to insulin doesn't compound the problem. Insulin is another natural hormone that promotes the growth of cancer. Dropping some extra fat if you can at menopause is probably also a good idea, because fat cells do produce extra estrogen. When I dropped body fat at the start of going primal it sent me into instant menopause with terrible hot flashes, night sweats, and mood swings. I felt like I'd had a total hysterectomy! Those fat cells had been the cushion between me and menopause.

              I respect the questioning, I have done a lot myself. And on this one I have come down on the side of current CW. Too many studies coming at it from too many different angles have confirmed in my mind that estrogen exposure from any source is a risk factor for developing breast cancer.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Barb View Post
                I respect the questioning, I have done a lot myself. And on this one I have come down on the side of current CW. Too many studies coming at it from too many different angles have confirmed in my mind that estrogen exposure from any source is a risk factor for developing breast cancer.
                I agree. Let's not paint all medical knowledge with the broad brush of "CW nonsense" and toss it aside.

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