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  • #16
    Applegate and Fairbairn had some pretty good things to say about it, as well. I consider it to be a secondary source to physical training, but it's a good distillation.



    • #17
      Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
      Honestly I think the best fighting/self-defense training is good old-fashioned boxing.
      Other than that, I would choose Judo or Krav Maga


      • #18
        Cornered Cat is a great book. Yeah, I said it.

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        • #19
          Krav risks becoming the new taekwondo. You can't fling a cat in a strip mall without hitting a TKD school (disclaimer: I have red belt in tkd). I've trained in self defense systems. I think jujitsu is a good base art. What I don't like about jujitsu and judo is they train barefoot in a gi. That's not real world, and the gi, in training, is used as grab leverage against the opponent. Grabbing a t-shirt isn't the same. And it's usually a one on one training, ignoring multiple opponents. But you can't always choose exactly what you want. Kickboxing and Thia box on top of jujitsu.

          8 weeks of training is not enough time. With only that much time to spend you're probably better off stripping the training down to just boxing. There needs to be some in-the-ring (whether judo, jujitsu, Thai, TKD, etc.) mixing it up to develop the self confident belief that he could use whatever it is in a fight and know his limitations.

          If he's not very athletic to begin with learning a MA isn't going to be much help against a more athletic opponent. You'd be better off spending the money on a good weight trainer and get him started on beefing up first. Just my opinion.
          Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?


          • #20
            Systema! Russian Krav Maga.. Used by Spetznaz so you know it's brutal!

            and failing that, teach him sprint training.. If he cant disarm or physically defend himself, at least get him good at running in the other direction!


            • #21
              Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post

              I learned what I know from spending a lot of time on military bases, but my father gave me the best advice:
              "Son, remember: no one wants to mess with a crazy person.....doesn't matter how small or he is or how old. No one wants to fight that guy that will gouge your eyes out or try to bite your fingers off."

              One of the few times self-defense ever came into play was when I was a bartender, right before I went to school for a season. A guy got all tough at the end of the night with his buddies around, pretty much hinted him and 4 other guys were about to jump the bar....then my dad's advice came to mind.

              I said something like this, mixed with a lot of F-bombs, "Please jump over this bar. They know me pretty well in the jail here and I want to bite one of your f-ing noses off. PLEASE COME OVER!" I had my eyes wide as they could get, started jumping up and down like a rapid monkey, punching myself in the head, repeating "Let me kill one of you MF's! WHOO!!!!"

              They got the hell out of there, plus I attracted the attention of every person/bouncer in the bar.

              See, this kind of thing doesn't get taught at Karate class
              LMAO! That gave me a great mental image!

              I agree about this theory. I've thought about this type of defense as well. And scared myself with some sick stuff I've thought about saying and doing if imagined situations arised.

              I think awareness is very important, and the ability to escape/evade/dissolve situation, and the confidence to defend yourself with whatever means you have if the situation goes that way.


              • #22
                I suggest you to get him into a tae kwon do summer camp Chantilly, VAas martial arts is a first step in self defense. They teach you about Kick boxing, tai chi etc. Once he get's to know the basics, the rest will come to him naturally.


                • #23
                  The sick bastards in the military taught me that someone who is gonna try to kick your ass normally won't tell you, loses the eliment of surprise.

                  If you have to defende yourself the best thing to do is attach yourself to a part of the combatants body they fear getting hurt (arm, legs genetals etc) and hurt it as much as you can.

                  Under control is a persons best defense. lose your cool, lose your focus, lose the fight is what i was taught.

                  Last edited by NittyGrittyDanny; 03-24-2014, 10:26 AM.


                  • #24
                    That's the essence of it, for sure. The rest is just the "how to".



                    • #25
                      Principles of Personal Defense by Jeff Cooper is a must read.


                      • #26
                        Yeah, that's a good one.

                        To anyone just joining the thread, ALERTNESS is key. You can win the situation without ever having to fight or run simply by being ALERT and picking your battles.

                        If you go looking for trouble, you become a crusader. That's on you. Good luck with that, I mean it.

                        I'm a unfortunate bastard who can't run...physically. So when ALERTNESS fails me (which it hasn't yet - even won me a fight without fighting once already!), I'm stuck having to talk or fight. It's ALERTNESS that prevents an ambush.

                        Only once had to "fight" - felt a guy try to pickpocket me once in Baltimore and I elbowed him - he ran.

                        If you want to learn how to fight, go for it. Even beyond getting out of sticky situations there's lots of benefits. Just don't use it as an excuse to get yourself stuck in somewhere.

                        TIP - stay out of ground fighting based schools/drills, at least in the beginning. You'll get a lot more out of it if you learn how to stay up on your feet and get used to jamming parts of your body places (like knees to groins) than on something that works well in a ring. Once you're good at that, by all means expand your tool kit.

                        Fitness is also very useful, obviously. Yeah, training can help you overcome the bigger, stronger guy but if you can't even move yourself well you're kind of boned.

                        Anyways, felt like it needed to be reiterated; it's easy to get harsh on the "stick up for yourself" camp of self-defense. Often the more interesting bits (the fighting bits) get all the attention and it gives off the impression that we're just thugs in disguise.

                        On that subject, I've recently gotten into "comparative martial arts". There's lots of ways to thwack someone with something -
                        styles/schools/etc are just the "what to drill" to do the most effective thwacking possible, reliably (that's the key - Practice ONE kick 10,000 times, instead of 10,000 kicks once and all that). I've lately been picking through combatives manuals to get a feel for how a given military organization at a certain time went about cataloging their methods. These are easy places to start.

                        I've recently picked up a book on Xingyi Quan, which is a nifty school that took Chinese spear fighting drills and turned it into a fist method so that troops who already knew individual spear combatives could quickly learn hand to hand (for increased confidence and having a backup for when the spear is not at hand). What's cool is it eventually came full circle and the Chinese Republican Army taught it to their officers as a foundation for hand to hand, bayonet and sabre. Sometimes, I'm a nerd.



                        • #27
                          For decent self defence, you need to of studied most Martial Arts for sometime and be well trained in them (and I say this as a 1st Dan in Kempo Ju Jitsu (combat jitsu) and Kempo Karate.)

                          But for the quickest way to make yourself confident and hold your own in a fight (please note you could still get your arse handed to you by a decent fighter) is to do something like Western Boxing, Thai Boxing or Muay Thai.
                          All three styles will quickly teach someone to throw a proper punch (and knee and Elbow) have a guard and move about comfortably.


                          • #28
                            This is the British version Monty Python - Self-Defense Against Fruit - YouTube
                            Man seeks to change the foods available in nature to suit his tastes, thereby putting an end to the very essence of life contained in them.


                            • #29
                              Any martial art that has sparring against a fully resisting opponent is good. So that means boxing, judo, wrestling, BJJ, etc. The rest is potentially worse than useless, since it might (God forbid) give you the delusion that you're a legit badass. It's full contact or it's just LARP...


                              • #30
                                True that, Legbiter.

                                Also, don't neglect your feet. A long, high kick is a bad idea - smashing knees and insteps however...