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  • Originally posted by Grafter View Post
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    Congratulations! You seem to be above average wise evaluated on that post only…
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

    - Schopenhauer

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    • Lol Gorbag you make me laugh.
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      • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
        It's like no one even reads the posts. They see a topic of race, and or a "touchy" subject like obesity, and immediately get emotional. Most of my posts in this thread have been about problems regarding discrimination against white men, rather than anything else. The rest is just the obvious problems surrounding the black community that no one wants to talk about. Maybe if they did talk about it, and held them accountable for their actions, instead of blaming white people for everything, things just might change. I don't think anyone has posted anything absolutely offensive, one side is just not censoring themselves and isn't arguing solely with emotions. Things like "you're insecure" and various shame tactics are ridiculous and goes a long way to show why politically correct socialists are a joke that no one gets.
        It's amusing how political progressives usually say that they want to help the black community, but a lot of the policies that they advocate do nothing but screw them. Minimum wage laws make black teenagers basically unemployable. The Drug War imprisons minorities at rates disproportionate to how much they actually use them. Public schools fail to provide them with a good education. And the most monstrous to me, the welfare state has pretty much annihilated the black family unit. I know life would've been much harder for me without my dad being in the picture.
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        • Originally posted by Jefferson1775 View Post
          It's amusing how political progressives usually say that they want to help the black community, but a lot of the policies that they advocate do nothing but screw them. Minimum wage laws make black teenagers basically unemployable. The Drug War imprisons minorities at rates disproportionate to how much they actually use them. Public schools fail to provide them with a good education. And the most monstrous to me, the welfare state has pretty much annihilated the black family unit. I know life would've been much harder for me without my dad being in the picture.
          "Minimum wage laws make black teenagers basically unemployable"

          I'm not from the US so can you expand on this? What's the difference between hiring a black teenager and a teenager of another ethnic back ground?

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          • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post

            Also, I've noticed that a lot of liberals who spew the white privilege and black people are default awesome often live in very uniformly non-diverse areas. Are you in some place like Vermont per chance?
            Oh no you ditn't

            I would say that the opposite is more than often true, and I have experienced it myself.

            I lived in both LA and Miami through my schooling, and I always used to tell people that "South Florida will make you a racist." It wasn't that I was poorly treated by anyone, but I just overall felt that it was a terrible place to live. I felt the same way when I lived in San Clemente CA, just south of LA.....there are a lot of minorities of EVERY kind, a total melting pot, and I actually felt like people were incredibly rude to one another. There was an air of nastiness to both places; parts of town, even things like convenience stores, that are intended to serve only a certain minority group....so if you are a white person, or probably even any other not in their group, they will be not so subtly rude to you.

            On top of that, I lived in neighborhoods in both places that were overwhelmingly minority.....I had a black guy as a neighbor, owned 7 pitbulls that bit anything moving, attacked my dog once, bit me in the arm, etc. He was the walking stereotype, been to prison, tons of gross tats, the works.

            Problem is that this is the ONLY experience with minorities that some people have, namely in major cities where there is plight amongst every group. They never went to the other places I lived, where I saw blacks or hispanics that were amazing, incredibly bright and honest people at places like Quantico or NYC....

            Those that think that Vermont is a place full of classical liberals have never been here. We are liberal in the same way that people from Montana are conservative; in other words, it is coming from a totally different place.

            In Montana, where my brother lives, it is mostly about people leaving you alone, paying a little taxes as possible, and being self-reliant.....in VT, it is about looking out for each other, with the idea of community reliance (which is far superior to just singular people). The "true liberals" are usually in major midwest and eastern cities, and their intelligentsia have a pretty contorted view of race and class across the board.

            Now, two jokes, bc otherwise I will go batty:
            "Montana is a place where a guy will shoot a bear, drag it all the way back to his house alone, and never be heard from for another month.....Vermont is a place where a guy shoots a bear, has a guy he knows butcher it, uses it to buy eggs from someone else, then shares it with everyone he knows." -- My brother

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            • Originally posted by turquoisepassion View Post
              I didn't agree I was a hypocrite, just lazy... And only selectively lazy towards people like you.

              "OMG why don't you go back and understand my post" before responding, because I didn't agree I was a hypocrite!! How dare you!!!
              I understand your post well enough. You agreed to laziness, the laziness was connected to your hypocrisy, thus you agreed to the hypocrisy. Not to difficult to understand.

              It is okay if YOU don't think your hypocrisy is showing.
              So far, you haven't demonstrated -- nor has anyone else -- where I was hypocritical. Therefore, I cannot agree. There is a lack of evidence. If you would demonstrate the hypocrisy, then I could agree or disagree.

              Many others on this forum agree with me that you are being vicious while preaching acceptance through PM's and such. So I don't give a damn you still think you are an angel.
              Just because you have people who agree with you doesn't make any of you correct. That's an ad populum fallacy.

              Anyone is free to put forth whatever evidence they like that demonstrates that I am being "vicious" or a hypocrite.

              So far, no one has, and therefore, I'm not inclined to simply accept the accusation.
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              • I would say that the opposite is more than often true, and I have experienced it myself.
                I dunno, the handful of "intelligentistas" I knew that used to bitch about "oppression" and white privilege ended up fleeing the South (hell, in my city, most of our elected officials are black) to go live in places like Minnesota, and well, Vermont. Perhaps they are unhappy up in Vermont.

                But they'd go ON and ON about how things were rigged against black people in our city....and I'm like, we have a BLACK mayor, majority BLACK council. There is one bigoted white guy on the county commission!

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                • Originally posted by Iron Will View Post
                  "Minimum wage laws make black teenagers basically unemployable"

                  I'm not from the US so can you expand on this? What's the difference between hiring a black teenager and a teenager of another ethnic back ground?
                  Certainly. Whether justified or not, a lot of employers view hiring black teenagers as "riskier" than hiring a white teenager, even if they have similar skills. Now, a black youth can try to remedy this situation by offering to work for less money, but the minimum wage law prevents this. If an employer is paying his white teenage employees the minimum wage, black teenagers can't legally undercut them. As a result, the black teenage unemployment rate in this country is about 40%, I believe, while the unemployment rate for white teenagers is only about half of that. It's a bad situation, but more laws aren't going to make it better.

                  This topic has been covered by men much better than me, though, like Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and Walter Block.
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                  • Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
                    Those that think that Vermont is a place full of classical liberals have never been here. We are liberal in the same way that people from Montana are conservative; in other words, it is coming from a totally different place.

                    In Montana, where my brother lives, it is mostly about people leaving you alone, paying a little taxes as possible, and being self-reliant.....in VT, it is about looking out for each other, with the idea of community reliance (which is far superior to just singular people).
                    I think that both of these, too, have a lot in common.

                    And I think a both/and approach is really where I sit. And it's a lot like NZ, at least, my experience of it.

                    While I haven't lived in either place, living in NZ is a bit of both. Sparse population and the idea that you let people be, but also that we need each other because winter is coming (you know, to quote a popular notion).

                    So, they have a high social safety net because it makes everyone healthier and happier, thereby the society better, but it also then allows people to just do what they do.

                    NZ is rural (mostly) like both of those states, and it requires both self-reliance and community interaction (in my opinion) -- though there are always people every where that will need more of one than the other.


                    The "true liberals" are usually in major midwest and eastern cities, and their intelligentsia have a pretty contorted view of race and class across the board.
                    Yes, and not without rightful criticism. Same with the conservative intelligentsia.


                    As an aside, did you know that I deeply considered MT on our move? It makes me laugh reading your post! I'm kind of thinking that it would have suited us. How does MT cost of living compare to VT? I never considered VT, and it had to do with my perception of the COL being high. I considered VT some 15 years ago when DH and I were just starting out, he applied for a job at a university there. Now I'm wondering if it would have been a good choice for us. . .

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                    • I hate to get off topic but in my opinion, it really doesnt matter what Barbie looks like. Kids dont give a crap about fat acceptance or whatever it is being called. They like playing with dolls. And as someone mentioned, most Barbies end up missing limbs or a head. I'm pretty sure that doesnt encourage kids to go without an arm.

                      I have been involved with youth sports for a long time and I have always said that youth sports are fine until the adults get involved. Apparently same with dolls.

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                      • Originally posted by Jefferson1775 View Post
                        Certainly. Whether justified or not, a lot of employers view hiring black teenagers as "riskier" than hiring a white teenager, even if they have similar skills. Now, a black youth can try to remedy this situation by offering to work for less money, but the minimum wage law prevents this. If an employer is paying his white teenage employees the minimum wage, black teenagers can't legally undercut them. As a result, the black teenage unemployment rate in this country is about 40%, I believe, while the unemployment rate for white teenagers is only about half of that. It's a bad situation, but more laws aren't going to make it better.

                        This topic has been covered by men much better than me, though, like Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and Walter Block.
                        Huh. I don't think we have this kind of issue in Canada, mind you that may depend on geography. In Vancouver where I'm at it really doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, you're equally racially profiled.

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                        • Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
                          I lived in both LA and Miami through my schooling, and I always used to tell people that "South Florida will make you a racist."


                          I get the point of your post but just to clarify, Miami and South Florida are two entirely different things.

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                          • Originally posted by vh67 View Post
                            I think Zoebird has been and always been patient and kind in her postings. The use of the word "many" seems a little far fetched and may mean something different to different people. What is the actual number of people that think Zoebird is being vicious?
                            Thanks, vh7.

                            I always strive to communicate clearly, though not necessarily concisely. Admittedly, I get excited which leads to *words!!!!* LOL And sometimes I do say things that I do not intend, so when turquoise queen made the accusation, I went back and re-read my posts just in case I did same something that I didn't' intend. I read every one, and every one since before posting.

                            If there are logical fallacies, "liberalism fallacies" (which I think is a made up concept -- from what I can gather from the inter webs it's the idea of "trapping a liberal in their logical fallacies), personal attacks, unsupported accusations, or viciousness, anyone is free to point it out and I'll definitely consider it.

                            I hold myself to a pretty high standard. I don't hold others to that standard, mind you, but I will certainly look at an accusation closely.

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                            • I find this somewhat pertinent. I was downloading a module to restore cut content in a game, and they mentioned that they were incompat with the Slender Female Bodies module. Which suggest that a female protagonist should look like this:



                              Original character looks just fine. But apparently Barbie is better.
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                              • Originally posted by Jacksson View Post
                                I have been involved with youth sports for a long time and I have always said that youth sports are fine until the adults get involved.
                                This is so true. LOL

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