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    I am lucky enough to be able to keep some chickens. Some have gone clucky from time to time so we have put fertil eggs under them & have then eaten some of the roosters.
    For Christmas we bought a live duck from down the road. I posted a picture of it live with the heading Christmas dinner.
    I had serveral people write No you can't.
    It was never intended as a pet (the man sells them knowing they will probably be eaten)
    Are people that removed from their food?


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  • #2
    Originally posted by Hannakb View Post
    I am lucky enough to be able to keep some chickens. Some have gone clucky from time to time so we have put fertil eggs under them & have then eaten some of the roosters.
    For Christmas we bought a live duck from down the road. I posted a picture of it live with the heading Christmas dinner.
    I had serveral people write No you can't.
    It was never intended as a pet (the man sells them knowing they will probably be eaten)
    Are people that removed from their food?


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    Yes, they (we) are. If I lived near, I would join you for dinner! I have NO problem eating the animals that God gave us to eat. I'm not going to snatch my neighbors dog and roast him, just a duck or chicken or other nameless animal! LOL! I see nothing wrong with that.

    Actually, I take that back about the neighbor's dog. Who knows what I'd do in a zombie apocalypse! ;-)

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    • #3
      People are removed from their food. We see our food after it has been killed and cut into pieces. Then it's either in butcher paper or clear wrap.

      There are some animals I wouldn't eat unless I was up against it. I tend to think of some of the top of food chain animals as "brothers," so I don't want to eat things like apes, cats, wolves, etc. But fowl and anything hoofed - it's what we should be eating.*

      *Also, squirrels, nutria, and almost anything that lives in water.
      "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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      Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hannakb View Post
        Are people that removed from their food?
        Sadly, yes. I know a girl who is so vocal about how hunting is the Worst Thing Ever, but she will happily eat meat from Wendy's or the grocery store. As if those animals are better off

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        • #5
          Recently, I've come to the opinion that if I personally didn't kill that animal, then I won't eat it. Yeah, that makes me a vegetarian/vegan whatever, and I'm on a primal forum where everyone gets moist over meat.
          I find the removed stance we (nearly) all have to be such a destructive one. Forgetting that animals do in fact live, breath, feel emotion, and have consciousness all for the sake of the meat consumption through indiscriminate slaughter, I feel, is wrong. I've mentioned the !Kung tribe a few times before, and after every kill, a ritual of thanks takes place, but all H/G tribes honour and respect the lives they take for the rewards they bring. They don't waste a thing.
          Also, I personally think that a true primal diet doesn't have as much meat and fat as believed... I still believe meat was vital for evolution and health, just not so much. Vegetarianism, with a steak thrown in, provided I kill it. Thats what I believe to be the true 'Primal' diet.

          My 2 cents.. (Pence.. I'm in Britain!)
          Last edited by Jenry Hennings; 12-27-2013, 01:36 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jenry Hennings View Post
            Recently, I've come to the opinion that if I personally didn't kill that animal, then I won't eat it. Yeah, that makes me a vegetarian/vegan whatever, and I'm on a primal forum where everyone gets moist over meat.
            I find the removed stance we (nearly) all have to be such a destructive one. Forgetting that animals do in fact live, breath, feel emotion, and have consciousness all for the sake of the meat consumption through indiscriminate slaughter, I feel, is wrong. I've mentioned the !Kung tribe a few times before, and after every kill, a ritual of thanks takes place, but all H/G tribes honour and respect the lives they take for the rewards they bring. They don't waste a thing.
            Also, I personally think that a true primal diet doesn't have as much meat and fat as believed... I still believe meat was vital for evolution and health, just not so much. Vegetarianism, with a steak thrown in, provided I kill it. Thats what I believe to be the true 'Primal' diet.

            My 2 cents.. (Pence.. I'm in Britain!)
            That's one of the more... interesting rationales for vegetarianism I've seen.

            Imagine if we used that logic for other things. I'm not going to read a book until I learn to write one. I'm not going to have surgery until I learn to perform it on myself. I'm not going to listen to music until I learn to play an instrument.

            There's plenty wrong with our current food system. It's illogical that because someone doesn't hunt, they shouldn't eat meat. I think that whatever one does to earn money is what then pays the hunter/farmer/etc. to provide them with meat. Do you make your own clothing, or will you go naked until you learn to do so?
            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

            B*tch-lite

            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jenry Hennings View Post
              Recently, I've come to the opinion that if I personally didn't kill that animal, then I won't eat it. Yeah, that makes me a vegetarian/vegan whatever, and I'm on a primal forum where everyone gets moist over meat.
              I find the removed stance we (nearly) all have to be such a destructive one. Forgetting that animals do in fact live, breath, feel emotion, and have consciousness all for the sake of the meat consumption through indiscriminate slaughter, I feel, is wrong. I've mentioned the !Kung tribe a few times before, and after every kill, a ritual of thanks takes place, but all H/G tribes honour and respect the lives they take for the rewards they bring. They don't waste a thing.
              Also, I personally think that a true primal diet doesn't have as much meat and fat as believed... I still believe meat was vital for evolution and health, just not so much. Vegetarianism, with a steak thrown in, provided I kill it. Thats what I believe to be the true 'Primal' diet.

              My 2 cents.. (Pence.. I'm in Britain!)
              Personally, if my choice were between being vegetarian or killing my own meat, I'd be sharpening a knife and getting a gun. The only reason I'm not taking up hunting is lack of time and any good teachers. My overtime more than pays for venison.
              Out of context quote for the day:

              Clearly Gorbag is so awesome he should be cloned, reproducing in the normal manner would only dilute his awesomeness. - Urban Forager

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              • #8
                Killing dinner

                I want to learn how to hunt. Looks fun.

                Then again I grew up where we only can get live fish and chicken. The chicken can be killed and plucked in front of us at the market but the fish we have to kill ourselves back at home.

                My mom also cooked my pet snake for soup because it starved to death (got too big for its container, we couldn't feed it love crickets anymore without it crushing it). I walked into the kitchen witnessing her skinning it.

                So maybe now I am callous to animal killings.

                I also wear tons of vintage fur and leather.

                I somehow still have vegan friends who are famous animal rights activists...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                  That's one of the more... interesting rationales for vegetarianism I've seen.

                  Imagine if we used that logic for other things. I'm not going to read a book until I learn to write one. I'm not going to have surgery until I learn to perform it on myself. I'm not going to listen to music until I learn to play an instrument.

                  There's plenty wrong with our current food system. It's illogical that because someone doesn't hunt, they shouldn't eat meat. I think that whatever one does to earn money is what then pays the hunter/farmer/etc. to provide them with meat. Do you make your own clothing, or will you go naked until you learn to do so?
                  I think this IS a logical argument simply because our meat raising system is so fucked up. Yes there are other options but frankly, depending on where you live it can be a lot more expensive to and/or difficult to buy meat that you KNOW the history of. Given a choice between meat of an unknown history or eating a vegetarian type diet I can see going with the vege diet. I personally DO have access to a cow I killed myself and I'm working on sourcing other meats better too but if my choices were tyson farms of veggies? I'd go vege again.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                    That's one of the more... interesting rationales for vegetarianism I've seen.

                    Imagine if we used that logic for other things. I'm not going to read a book until I learn to write one. I'm not going to have surgery until I learn to perform it on myself. I'm not going to listen to music until I learn to play an instrument.

                    There's plenty wrong with our current food system. It's illogical that because someone doesn't hunt, they shouldn't eat meat. I think that whatever one does to earn money is what then pays the hunter/farmer/etc. to provide them with meat. Do you make your own clothing, or will you go naked until you learn to do so?
                    Applying my reasoning to something as mundane as reading a book, pertaining to something I feel strongly for, is almost insulting, and slightly absurd to compare the two, and have both examples in equal standing. We're not talking about creative writing, we are talking about taking life, and more importantly, forgetting the value of life.
                    How is it 'illogical'? What's more illogical is how people will happily consume meat, yet won't have the balls to be responsible for slaughtering and butchering the meat in the first place.
                    My logic is only illogical when applied to hypothetical nonsensical situations as you suggest. For example,'We should stop breathing because we didn't make the oxygen.' My logic is not physics, and therefore, cannot be applied universally.
                    And believe me, if I could walk around naked and get away with it, you can put good money on it that I would be naked.. I'm naked right now.
                    Last edited by Jenry Hennings; 12-28-2013, 10:59 AM. Reason: it don't make no sense! no proofreading..

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                    • #11
                      If those people were meat eaters and saying "No dont kill the poor duck," they're idiots and I see your point.

                      I don't agree with slaughtering animals for food unless you have to to survive.

                      I'm a pescetarian and I hate eating fish (love the taste, however, just like I loved the taste of meat but still gave it up) but I do it for my health. Every time I throw a piece in the oven I consider its life and thank it for its unwilling sacrifice that will strengthen me (knowing that such thoughts likely don't matter a twit to the fish and just make me feel a little better). I also do it knowing I would not have a problem fishing (and have done so before).
                      If there were better sources of protein and fat that were healthy and plant based and as effective, I would be all over that (sucks that soy turned out to be such crap).

                      Having said that, if you're going to eat meat, killing it yourself and having it for dinner (or buying it directly from the farmer who butchered it) is "the way to go". I wouldn't look at a picture of a duck that said "christmas dinner" and think "Oh no, don't" but I definitely look at the meat section in conventional grocery stores and shudder. If you're going to slaughter an animal, give it a good, healthy life and some damn dignity and respect... not penned up shoulder to shoulder in a dark room where its life is essentially torture.

                      That's just my 2 cents...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by edennperez1 View Post
                        I have NO problem eating the animals that God gave us to eat.
                        When I was six years old and learned where meat came from, this is the exact argument my mom tried to use to convince me not to become a vegetarian. Didn't work on me then, definitely doesn't work now.

                        Not trying to argue with you in particular, I just hate that argument as it holds absolutely no water and doesn't address the issue.

                        Originally posted by edennperez1
                        I'm not going to snatch my neighbors dog and roast him, just a duck or chicken or other nameless animal! LOL! I see nothing wrong with that.
                        That's the problem with the meat industry today. That dog was "just a nameless animal" until someone came along and gave it a name and decided the dog should live in their house. The "nameless" animals have just as much significance to the world as the "named" ones. There is no difference. You may as well say it's not okay to kill a family member but as long as it's a stranger, get out the shotgun if they piss you off.

                        These strains of thought are devoid of meaning and should never be used to justify taking life. I eat fish and do so knowing full well what I'm doing, and it pains me. I unfortunately have yet to find a balance in my personal diet where I can lose fish and still be healthy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jenry Hennings View Post
                          Recently, I've come to the opinion that if I personally didn't kill that animal, then I won't eat it. Yeah, that makes me a vegetarian/vegan whatever, and I'm on a primal forum where everyone gets moist over meat.
                          I find the removed stance we (nearly) all have to be such a destructive one. Forgetting that animals do in fact live, breath, feel emotion, and have consciousness all for the sake of the meat consumption through indiscriminate slaughter, I feel, is wrong. I've mentioned the !Kung tribe a few times before, and after every kill, a ritual of thanks takes place, but all H/G tribes honour and respect the lives they take for the rewards they bring. They don't waste a thing.
                          Also, I personally think that a true primal diet doesn't have as much meat and fat as believed... I still believe meat was vital for evolution and health, just not so much. Vegetarianism, with a steak thrown in, provided I kill it. Thats what I believe to be the true 'Primal' diet.

                          My 2 cents.. (Pence.. I'm in Britain!)
                          I can understand and appreciate the desire to take responsibility for the food you eat but I think that eating a vegetarian diet is
                          just as problematic. If you are not raising your own food, whatever you eat you will be contributing to the destruction of some life. When eating plants it's easier to mentally distance oneself from the destruction. For example if you're a vegan the foods you eat are probably not gathered in your immediate area, they are grown somewhere else and shipped to you. That system of food production and distribution is incredibly destructive to life on so many levels but when the food arrives there is no visible blood. There is no way around the fact eating involves some death. I can see avoiding meat because you're squeamish but I definitely don't think that being a vegetarian is more humane.
                          Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                          • #14
                            The corporations that grow produce do just as much destruction to the planet as CAFO meat producers.

                            There are many endangered livestock breeds because we don't eat them. We don't eat them, no one raises them. They're domesticated so if no one raises them, they die out. The Livestock Conservancy

                            Learning to hunt is of course a worthy endeavor. As is learning to grow one's food, or anything else that improves a skill set for hardship. But let's say some folks' idea of Nirvana happened and we all grew/raised/hunted every morsel we put in our mouths. The corporations would be hurt. That's a good thing because they produce unwholesome food. But the family farmers and the ones who are doing it organically and healthfully would also be hurt.

                            And, examining hunting, is it fair to use a gun? If we take it further, shouldn't the most advanced method we use be a cross bow? And what about the elderly or disabled? If unable to hunt, no meat for them?

                            Is farming for one's family wrong because we take away the freedom to roam free from our domesticated livestock? I've yet to see a cow or chicken strike for better wages.

                            I'm playing devil's advocate, so I'm using farfetched examples or taking things to goofy extremes. But just like I'm not going to sit in front of a sewing machine (I've done it and it's my idea of hell) to make my own clothes, I'm not going to give up the things I like about city living so I can "justify" eating animals. What else are they here for?

                            Eat meat; eat vegan; hell, eat boogers if you want to. No need to justify it. The planet has much bounty to give us - from both kingdoms. While I do everything in my power to keep CAFO animals from my plate because I think they're not treated humanely, I see not much difference between an animal that gets knocked out, then hung up and killed, and one who runs in fear of its life from a hunter.

                            I am absolutely not against hunting. It just seems inefficient for most of us. If it takes me 20 minutes of labor in the workforce to earn enough money for a meal, it doesn't make sense for just me to take up hunting. Others have different circumstances and hunting totally is efficient for them.

                            I almost forgot. Using the whole animal. You can bet donuts to dollars that every part of the animal is used in the food industry. Blood is dried and goes into fertilizer or is used in sausages. Hides are used in various ways as are bones. Anything unpalatable to the average human is ground up for animal food. BigFood didn't get rich by wasting anything that can be sold. Again, not defending them, but food waste comes from throwing away finished product that is still palatable.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                            B*tch-lite

                            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lyte View Post
                              If those people were meat eaters and saying "No dont kill the poor duck," they're idiots and I see your point.
                              Yes they are meat eaters.

                              My reply was local, organic, ethical eating.
                              My stepdads reply was we know it's had a better life then the roast chicken you bought from the shops.

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