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  • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
    But if there were no Cheetos left... What was I saying? Saying Say... ing... That's a really funny word.
    word word word word word...is that even how you spell word? w.o.r.d. word word word word.

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    • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
      word word word word word...is that even how you spell word? w.o.r.d. word word word word.
      You know what would probably be delicious? Buttered ice cream. Do you have any butter or ice cream?
      The Champagne of Beards

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      • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
        You know what would probably be delicious? Buttered ice cream. Do you have any butter or ice cream?
        how about just eating frozen butter?

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        • RM and NOTR you guys are scaring me, you sound so dangerous!
          Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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          • Originally posted by urban forager View Post
            rm and notr you guys are scaring me, you sound so dangerous!
            Think. Of. The. Children!

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            • Originally posted by turquoisepassion View Post
              Lol! Before you make an ivory tower-type ad hominum attack-
              I'm not trying to one up anyone and their experience with the underworld, just responding to the idea that my perception is from bad afternoon programming. And I'm not attacking you or anyone else. Just disagreeing. That's allowed right?


              Originally posted by turquoisepassion View Post
              Like I said regulation shouldn't be on part of the state but on the individual.
              And this is where I understand the philosophy but dont understand how you would think individuals could self regulate usage of addictive substances. Unless you are really just talking about pot but only legalizing pot doesnt really solve the problem. I would think making it legal would create more users that were on the fence when it was illegal.

              Originally posted by turquoisepassion View Post
              And what makes you think only the government benefits? Drug industry being legitimized would provide a ton of jobs for people who want to make an honest living and fuel less need for organized drug trafficking thug organizations.
              I didnt really say only the government would benefit but people were making the argument that it could be taxed. And I just cant find a way to draw the line between honest living and producing drugs. Made in America plus the likely high taxation would likely mean we cant compete with the import (illegal version) anyway. I also cant wrap my head around the idea that making it legal would somehow shut down gangs. I dont see any government making all drugs legal so the market would still exist for the most dangerous.

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              • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                you were talking about pot and said "but in the hands of an irresponsible user it still has the potential to pose a problem for others." this is something that would be on an afterschool special. i'm not claiming to know everything. i'm just calling you out on what most would consider a silly statement. how do you irresponsibly use pot? roll a joint in the wind and spill some on the ground? or perhaps get super high and eat all the Cheetos? that sure seems like it would be a problem for others, because then there'd be no Cheetos left. major bummer
                I guess the irresponsible uses I was thinking of could include before driving a car, operating heavy machinery, mixed with other substances and/or before or during some fun with your pals and loaded weapons. I get that there are plenty of people enjoy a little bit and dont harm anyone but not everyone is so mellow.

                And if the use promotes the abuse of Cheetos, I cant support it. Cheetos arent even primal.

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                • I would think making it legal would create more users that were on the fence when it was illegal.
                  Going to put this out there.... marijuana is not a "bad" thing. I think it is OK if there are more users. My husband smokes pot. There was a time when he could not smoke pot. He turned to abusing alcohol and cigarettes. He became abusive towards me and a real jack ass when trying to use alcohol and cigarettes to get him the, for lack of a better word, "buzz" that pot provided. He is a better person when he is using marijuana regularly, as is my neighbor's husband.

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                  • Originally posted by Jacksson View Post
                    I guess the irresponsible uses I was thinking of could include before driving a car, operating heavy machinery, mixed with other substances and/or before or during some fun with your pals and loaded weapons. I get that there are plenty of people enjoy a little bit and dont harm anyone but not everyone is so mellow.

                    And if the use promotes the abuse of Cheetos, I cant support it. Cheetos arent even primal.
                    all of those activities would barley be affected by smoking, if affected at all. now alcohol on the other hand, seriously affects all of them

                    based on your responses, i'm guessing that you've never actually smoked weed before. not that never smoking is a bad thing. it just doesn't give you (or anyone else who hasn't smoked) an educated perspective on the topic.

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                    • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                      all of those activities would barley be affected by smoking, if affected at all. now alcohol on the other hand, seriously affects all of them

                      based on your responses, i'm guessing that you've never actually smoked weed before. not that never smoking is a bad thing. it just doesn't give you (or anyone else who hasn't smoked) an educated perspective on the topic.


                      I did when I was younger. Couldnt figure out the fascination though. But even for someone who doesnt have the perspective, if it wouldnt have an affect on how you drive or operated a vehicle, I'm not sure of the point of it.

                      Either way, whether pot is legal or ok or dangerous or not, the topic is legalizing drugs. Do I think it is a big deal that pot is being legalized? Not really. I think it can be abused just like anything else but I'm not going to argue over how dangerous it is or isnt. I dont think it will make much of a dent in organized crime even if it is legalized everywhere though. Many in the thread are making the point that all drugs should be legal and that it will make a positive difference. I dont see it. After school special officianado or not, I dont see anything positive about it.

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                      • Many in the thread are making the point that all drugs should be legal and that it will make a positive difference. I dont see it. After school special officianado or not, I dont see anything positive about it.
                        I don't see an upside to having them illegal; people still abuse them and the system of production and distribution creates crime and safety issues.

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                        • Should drugs be legalized?

                          Originally posted by Jacksson View Post
                          I'm not trying to one up anyone and their experience with the underworld, just responding to the idea that my perception is from bad afternoon programming. And I'm not attacking you or anyone else. Just disagreeing. That's allowed right?

                          And this is where I understand the philosophy but dont understand how you would think individuals could self regulate usage of addictive substances. Unless you are really just talking about pot but only legalizing pot doesnt really solve the problem. I would think making it legal would create more users that were on the fence when it was illegal.



                          I didnt really say only the government would benefit but people were making the argument that it could be taxed. And I just cant find a way to draw the line between honest living and producing drugs. Made in America plus the likely high taxation would likely mean we cant compete with the import (illegal version) anyway. I also cant wrap my head around the idea that making it legal would somehow shut down gangs. I dont see any government making all drugs legal so the market would still exist for the most dangerous.
                          You made the quip "easy for people in law schools and suburbs" to talk about natural rights and I was addressing that.


                          Governmental regulation fails big time. Look around you. If you want drugs you can easily obtain it.

                          The fact that California weed is driving down weed prices should give you an idea that import isn't necessarily better competition for "legitimate" sources. The less regulation a place has on a certain transaction, the more likely all of the transactions will start occurring there. If USA can become the "off-shore" so to speak for drug production then USA would get an economic boost from drug production.

                          "Honest living" as much as making alcohol, cigarettes, and etc are "honest living" right now and providing jobs for people.

                          If everyone can just get their supplies from legitimate sources what would be the need for drug rings as middlemen to smuggle? Of course some of the institutions will stay in place but the majority of the smaller regimes would fall.
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                          • Legalise them, tax them, and do something to help solve national debt.
                            I did drugs as a youngun, fun as hell. Haven't touched them since I sobered for the army. People grow and learn for themselves.
                            Also in Britain, Oxford and Cambridge students, i.e. The future leaders/intelligentsia of our nation, take the most drugs amongst ALL universities in Britain. Inquisitive minds looking for new experiences. The only difference is being stupid enough to let it become a crux to life like alcoholism or tobacco addiction.
                            I have no sympathy if one hurts or kills themselves whilst taking drugs.
                            I do believe people should be discouraged, BUT not disallowed.

                            (Obligatory. 'Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?!' Arguement also

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                            • Originally posted by Jenry Hennings View Post
                              I have no sympathy if one hurts or kills themselves whilst taking drugs.

                              (Obligatory. 'Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?!' Arguement also

                              Not that I completely disagree with the idea of natural selection, but if drug use creates violent crime or causes people to crash their cars, then there will be innocent victims. I care a great deal if someone on drugs hurts someone I love.

                              Certainly an interesting topic to discuss but I dont see an argument to legalize that makes sense. Drug use is linked to violent crime, traffic fatalities, workplace and industrial accidents, birth defects, and apparently excessive Cheeto consumption. Making them more available would then logically increase the incidence of all of the above. Maybe we save money on drug enforcement and make some tax revenue but we likely pick up the cost of the above plus health services associated with those and overdose/death. Some argue that alcohol is as bad or worse, I would agree. But using that as an argument to legalize drugs doesnt make sense. We would have the alcohol related problems AND increased drug related problems. Some say it would run dealers out of business. Maybe some but certainly not all. They are still having major issues with not only import but large illegal grows in states where MJ is legal. Plus organized crime has a pretty fool proof and diverse business model.

                              In reality, I think it is a very complex issue that has no easy answer.

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                              • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                                I don't see an upside to having them illegal; people still abuse them and the system of production and distribution creates crime and safety issues.
                                Yup, while there's not much particularly positive about drugs, if you live in a society where the demand is huge, trying to stop the supply is pointless. BTW, people also wildly abuse prescription drugs...seems like everyone in the USA is on pills. It's demand driven -- the need to escape the high pressure environment, and to try to solve ones problems with science (a pill).

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