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  • #16
    Originally posted by Psychicsinlove View Post
    In our town some teen boys were doing shrooms, and one separated from the group. No one looked for him and he almost died from hypothermia in the woods.

    Meanwhile, some 30 yr. old dealer dropped some off for my son in my mailbox. I arrested his azz and now he is on probation for 2 years or gets a two year sentence. (He was so arrogant and stupid that he SHOULD be in jail for getting caught by a mom!)

    Sadly, some drugs can kill you, and I do not want my kids messing with that crap.

    I do believe in the conspiracy theory that societies "undesirables" will go to jail, just as planned, to be part of the grand machine. Told son he will NOT be some cautionary tale (tall, blonde, great student, national athlete, great news story if he gets into that world).

    I understand the arguments, but let's keep it all illegal for the kiddies until their brains stop forming (26 for boys). Sorry for the mother's rant.
    so you had the dealer who delivers arrested? now your son is going to do them anyway. except he's going to have to drive to a shady part of town to get them. nice...

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    • #17
      The war on drugs is mostly a war on poor and brown/black people. The war on drugs is just an excuse to lock them away. It's a proxy for another larger power imbalance that wages war on the vast majority of us in one way or another.
      Yes and no.... in many ways, The Drug War is a fundraiser for state governments. Yes, black and brown people get locked up, because they can't pay. They REALLY love catching affluent white people. Long story, but my SO was caught with a dozen pot plants. The max penalty was like 12 years. He ended up given the option to PAY to go to drug treatment (it was a couple thousand dollars to be told once a week for 10 weeks that drugs are bad and can give you STD's....). Then the tax bill came. It was $12,000, and due in 6 weeks OR our home would be confiscated.

      So by having pot illegal, our state made close to $15,000 off of us. An attorney made $5000 off of us. A social worker has a job providing info on why not to use drugs. 2 guys in NC have a job collecting drug taxes, as well as a lot of cops.

      Now keep in mind, we were small potatoes and not dealers and an accidental catch. Imagine how much money is made off of more productive dealers and growers. Black people just can't quite afford to play the game, that requires $5000 for an attorney and then a couple thousand for treatment. If they could they wouldn't be in jail either.

      But an awful lot of people benefit from the loop of illegal drugs and would be cut out if they became legal. Haha, a friend of mine works for the local alcohol board and asked a class of black high school kids how they felt about drug legalization. One stood up and said "I'd be out of a job".

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      • #18
        I understand the arguments, but let's keep it all illegal for the kiddies until their brains stop forming (26 for boys). Sorry for the mother's rant.
        Please, be a parent. Not my job to patrol what your kid puts in his body.

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        • #19
          That is a myth, not on the rug. Most kids don't go to "the shady part of town" (there are cell phones and computers now) LOL. After my son and his friends (and the friends' parents) saw me take a stand, the energy and situation shifted dramatically.

          My son knows that:

          1. He's "not good for the dealers". That he is not smart enough to get away with doing something stupid.

          2. My word is my bond. My property is my own. He is my child. End of story.

          3. His friend group changed dramatically. They shaped up or shipped out.

          4. It gave the parents of the social group permission to be active parents and reclaim their kid/property/town/life back

          5. The energy in the house is completely different. From natural maturity (he's growing up), respect, focusing on other things. In our house it's like The Mafia meets The Lion King. The rebelling via drug thing ~ not worth it. There is more to life!

          Once another adult goes on my property and gives substances my kid, it's ON and OVER for them. Sorry. No shady part of town left for them until I'm through with parenting.
          Last edited by Psychicsinlove; 12-10-2013, 08:06 AM.

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          • #20
            I am a parent, but then I get criticized when I "patrol what my kid puts in his body" that my kid will now "go to a shady part of town". See the paradox?
            Last edited by Psychicsinlove; 12-10-2013, 08:03 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Psychicsinlove View Post
              That is a myth, not on the rug. Most kids don't go to "the shady part of town" LOL. After my son and his friends (and the friends' parents) saw me take a stand, the energy and situation shifted dramatically.

              My son knows that:

              1. He's "not good for the dealers". That he is not smart enough to get away with doing something stupid.

              2. My word is my bond. My property is my own. He is my child. End of story.

              3. His friend group changed dramatically. They shaped up or shipped out.

              4. It gave the parents of the social group permission to be active parents and reclaim their kid/property/town/life back

              5. The energy in the house is completely different. From natural maturity (he's growing up), respect, focusing on other things. In our house it's like The Mafia meets The Lion King. Not worth it. There is more to life!

              Once another adult goes on my property and gives substances my kid, it's ON and OVER for them. Sorry. No shady part of town left for them until I'm through with parenting.
              wow. you live in a bubble. must be nice.

              how old is your son?

              let's see... are you the type of parent who lived a sheltered life and are therefore blind to the world around you? or are you the type of parent who made all the mistakes in the world and now think that by overparenting your children that you can somehow save the world?

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              • #22
                Let's put this in Paleo terms... Why would I raise my son, while hunting a woolly mammoth, to run off the cliff as well while chasing him? So why would I raise my son to get caught up in an illegal world and incarcerate or kill himself while in it? Wrong mammoth, wrong hunting group, wrong cliff.

                Also, "Stay Away from Dangerous Things" i.e. a felon, hard drugs, "the law", stupid friends.

                Yes, and I have lived and travelled all over the world. Have been in the Middle East and Central America during bombings and in Europe missing some of the same. See with both eyes open. Trained in Krav Maga. So it is easy for me to not be afraid to lay down the law in my house and chase people away from my property. I am pissed off that adults target kids.

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                • #23
                  I am pissed off that adults target kids.
                  I think whatever status we give drugs, legal or illegal, kids will be targeted. It's unfortunate. Obviously, making drugs illegal for all ages doesn't keep them out of the hands of kids. Making drugs illegal for certain ages doesn't keep them out of the hands of kids. It's a problem that has to be dealt with by the family to keep kids away from drugs.

                  All legal versus illegal does is change who benefits from the sale of the drug. I guess you could make drugs legal, then very much restrict advertising, like cigarettes. Ciggies are a great case study in going from cool to holy crap gross within a couple of generations while keeping the product legal.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Psychicsinlove View Post
                    Let's put this in Paleo terms... Why would I raise my son, while hunting a woolly mammoth, to run off the cliff as well while chasing him? So why would I raise my son to get caught up in an illegal world and incarcerate or kill himself while in it? Wrong mammoth, wrong hunting group, wrong cliff.

                    Also, "Stay Away from Dangerous Things" i.e. a felon, hard drugs, "the law", stupid friends.

                    Yes, and I have lived and travelled all over the world. Have been in the Middle East and Central America during bombings and in Europe missing some of the same. See with both eyes open. Trained in Krav Maga. So it is easy for me to not be afraid to lay down the law in my house and chase people away from my property. I am pissed off that adults target kids.
                    all i'm saying is that you can only teach your child so much. they're going to make their own decisions and you're not going to like all of them. if your child wants to eat shrooms, he's going to eat shrooms. maybe not today. maybe next weekend when his budd gets them from his older brother in college. maybe when he goes to college in a couple years. teaching him the proper skills is far more important than putting up a fence around him to keep the bad people away. I hope you realize that. oftentimes the kids with overprotective parents are the ones who go wild when they get to college because you haven't taught them how to function and make adult decisions.

                    the idea that drug dealers are "targeting" kids makes me think that you're not as worldly as you'd like to believe. perhaps you've watched one too many afterschool specials

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                    • #25
                      Magnolia you are right. I don't want my family to get caught up in that "Money Trail" at any level. Life is hard enough! There is the trouble that comes with the drug (expulsion, jail, etc.) and then the trouble that comes from the drug itself (possible addiction, personality change, etc.).

                      I am very sensitive to "Energy Changes" (getting woo-woo here LOL) so I noticed at once that there was an interloper, as it were. It's amazing what Primal Teeth come out when it comes to your kids!!

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                      • #26
                        notontherug this one was targeting kids. He lived next to the HS and is how he supported himself.

                        A question: For your children, would you let them cross the street by themselves before age 5? Would you let them travel two towns over on their own before age 10? Yes, I absolutely but a fence around my children before certain ages for different things. Yes, I give them freedom. Yes, I know they will do certain things at certain times.

                        But no hard drugs on my property please.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Psychicsinlove View Post
                          notontherug this one was targeting kids. He lived next to the HS and is how he supported himself.

                          A question: For your children, would you let them cross the street by themselves before age 5? Would you let them travel two towns over on their own before age 10? Yes, I absolutely but a fence around my children before certain ages for different things. Yes, I give them freedom. Yes, I know they will do certain things at certain times.

                          But no hard drugs on my property please.
                          I see what you're saying. but you still haven't told us how old your child is. a 16 year old who has sex, smoked pot, or drank a couple beers is probably behind the average age of exposure nowadays.

                          another angle that i'd be curious to hear about would be your response to your child approaching you with questions about drugs. how would you handle that? do you give the "drugs are bad" speech, or do you talk about substances sensibly? what if your child approached you and said that they smoked pot at a party over the weekend. how would you handle that? what if they told you they drank beer at a party? what if they tried mushrooms at a party?

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                          • #28
                            At the time he was 15. Smoked pot at 14.

                            We have had all the talks. Basically I told him about problems that can piggyback with the drugs (the law, expulsion, etc.) and the problems that can come with the drug itself (possible addiction, not making nationals b/c health isn't optimal, etc.)

                            He did come home smelling like pot the other month. I put my arms around him and said, "You smell different." Which let him know that I know. He became embarrassed and I haven't noticed anything since then.

                            Beer I half expected, but surprisingly he doesn't like alcohol. When we did the overprotective parent thing and checked his texts, there was a hundred line argument ~ his friend wanted him to take some of our vodka and give it to him. Son kept saying, "I don't drink man, I hate that stuff!" The other kids was aggressive, but finally gave up.

                            The shroom thing bothers me more because that is the drug of choice this year in our town. My friend works in the ER and A LOT of the HS'ers have been coming in. It turns out that they have been taking a lot of shrooms and they are found and taken to ER.

                            I told DS after arresting the dealer, basically, that if he does this stuff, that I will sign him up for more activities to fill up his time.

                            notontherug I totally, mentally get what you are saying. It changes when you have a kid. At least it did with me. Peace.

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                            • #29
                              Edit: Now he is 16, and this stuff has calmed down considerably.

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                              • #30
                                as long as he has the proper foundation, he'll make the right choices. and sometimes the right choices include some experimentation. that is just how we humans work.

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